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Old 03-09-2012, 09:09 AM   #181
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I obliterated half of the glue wall with a hammer and chisel. only took me three hours to do this section
Sometimes the right thing to do is not a lot of fun.

When it comes to backsplashes, the most important contributor to a good result is having flat surfaces that meet up square and true in the corners. This is particularly true if you're using smaller tiles, the grid of which will accentuate any deviation in surface flatness.

I can't wait to see your kitchen when you're done. You're making wonderful progress!

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Old 03-09-2012, 07:03 PM   #182
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I'm brokety broke Scott my man...broker than a joke.
the chisel was 6 bucks. Is this what they call SWEAT equity lol ?
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:31 PM   #183
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ok, for anyone whos curious about it, heres the diffrence between the butcherblock stained with coffee, then 3 coats Howards Block conditioner...
and the underside which I only did 3 coats of block conditioner alone, no stain.
stain on left, conditioner only on right...which one ? hmmmm....the right is more pronounced, while the left blends..
I"m starting the actual countertops tomorrow and I have to decide whether to stain or not to stain..
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:41 PM   #184
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i like the stark definition in the unstained on the right. YAY i finally get to break out the orbital sander! thank goodness I'm off all weekend
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:46 PM   #185
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I got the trim done and the entire house and yard cleaned this weekend...thats good right?? At least I can stand to be here again! Renno is messy!
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got all three cabinet doors done, corner cabinet by the stove remodled, and another two hours worth of chipping done on the wall glue. I wish i could wake up tomorrow morning and find the glue residue has miraculously been removed by the wall glue fairy...
When thats done i can put everything together. Heres finished cabinet doors dry fit, minus the paint.
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:50 PM   #187
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..oh and I've got mineral oil coming, i ordered it last night. I think I will try the mineral oil treatment first and if it dosen't work for me I'll sand it , stain it , and poly it later.
Must admit im new here and didnt read all 13 pages (just 7 or 8) Your project looks pretty amazing. I stole a few tips from your hard work along the way!

As for the treatment on wood - I'd avoid poly. I polied parts of my pine floor just to see what it'd look like, and went with PURE tung oil in the end (not adulterated 50% or other blends with mineraloil or spirits (toxic!) - got it at Lee Valley up here in Canada). I DID poly the floor UNDER the sink in the (bottomless) cabinet, however, and that was good, cuz we had a bad leak from the kitchen plumbing... good think the cabinets were caulked to the floor, was a small lake in there slowly draining through the cracks into the basement (luckily near the floor drain). No
damage at all to the floor, no buckling/swelling/etc. Thats what encasing something in plastic will do!

Tung is a bit more work, takes a full 72 hrs to dry enough before next coat (and a week to fully dry - can walk around in socks on it 24-36 hrs later, then just wash the socks heh, dont wear them elsewhere tho!) but looks better. 3 coats did it (over as many weeks, with gentle treatment in between coatings!). I'd even do 4 in high traffic zones. On floors you can crack poly, and it's very hard to repair. Tung, you can just wash it, sand it a tiny bit, wipe it down damp, let dry and reapply tung anytime (every year or three or as needed) and it's ready to go. I did dilute it with natural citrus solvent for the first coat as it's pretty thick and wanted it to penetrate the wood. 2nd coat was pure. 3rd was 1/3rd dilluted. (boy did the house smell nice. like nutty orange creamsicles!)

As for a countertop, I have a butcher's block cabinet top and I polyed it Im a little sad about that. It was in a high liquids/messyness area, so I thought i'd do it. But it loses the texture of the wood and just looks like someone encased in in plastic. When I get some time Im going to sand it off and either do tung or linseed, possibly mineral oil. Ill test it out on some extra pieces I have first to see what it looks like as it polymerizes over a month or two before I get around to tackling that project..

We rent a cottage that has butcherblock countertops right beside the sink/stove/everywhere, and it still looks great after 8 years of renting. They resand/re treat it from time to time, so Im inspired. Has such a great warm texture, and nothing slides off the counter. (Just dont put hot frypans - or leaky raspberry containers on it - though we soaked that stain back out over 5 days, lol! lucky!

There's a few sites that sing the praises of pure 100% tung out there. They convinced me. It was de rigeur for 100s of years before the chemical industry caught up with lazier people (yes, nothing is easier than a coat of water-based poly drying in 1hr...). I look forward to using Tung again, esp on a counter or tabletop.

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Great work.

I have a little concern about this statement:

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...handyman's gonna raise the back door for me so i can lay luan over the existing vinyl and set my terra cotta tiles on that...


Am I understanding that you intend to put 1/4" luan down over existing vinyl that is over more vinyl? And then you are going to thinset terracotta tiles overtop?

Concerns are the original vinyl could have asbestos? If not I would tear that up taking the newer with it. Otherwise you may consider a floating type floor install instead. Luan isn't really suitable for underlayment except maybe under vinyl. Luan is going to give too much and crack your tiles or grout lines.

If you want terracotta you should remove all vinyl, check your subfloor and joists for strength, add appropriate plywood no less than 1/2" thick, then ceramic backer board or Ditra, then your tiles.
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Thank you yogi and mathx for your helpful advice...like i said, i need all i can get of that! I decided to go with mineral oil on the butcher block followed by a conditioner with a mineral oil and beeswax mixture for the final coat. they are soft warm and beautiful now! i will post a pic in a day or two when i finally install them. my cabinets are just waiting for one more coat of paint and then they will go on.
I decided to do a dark dark brown cork or bamboo floating... or possibly glue down, floor instead of terra cotta, even though i still love the T/C the best. Its just going to be more work and cost than i'm able to do right now.
I was able to find a reasonably priced sink with a drainboard side at Ikea, btw...i love ikea! but it will be a couple weeks before that goes in..i gotta go out of town for ten days next week so that will cut into the remodel. but i did manage to get all the glue off the wall, over SEVERAL days..sore muscles...headaches... ugh never again!!! i plastered up the wrecked wall and it looks fine...good enough till i get a backsplash that is

I havent had anything interesting to post lately since its all painting and plaster work right now but i will get a pic up soon because it looks completely diffrent than before ..amazing really!
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ok heres the tile glue wall i chipped away at, all repaired, with a coat of primer. (post # 179 shows the wall previously) i just did a coat of joint compound, let it dry, did another coat and then brushed it with a little soft bristle brush i found, and blended it in with the texture thats there already. it looks good enough until i get a backsplash. better than i thought. the cabinets will be white too.
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Nice progress!
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Thanks pete! Well I'm off to california for a couple days then driving back to West Virginia with my fiancee who I haven't seen for two months!! I rushed to get the kitchen in leavable condition and here it is . I'm halfway done!
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That looks great!
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Thank you Ironlight! I am getting close to the end! I bought all my shelf brackets and my sink. I decided to keep it white so i painted the kitchen cotton. Its so bright and clean looking i just couldnt think of a better color. I'm finally back in the game here and all i need now is my faucet and my flooring which Louie has agreed to buy so yeah!
I'm gonna go with a glue down rubber floor in the kitchen. it dosent require a subfloor, will stick to anything and has a 15 year gaurantee so it will work. heres the sink i got...this sucker is nearly four feet long !
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Your built-in drainboard is making me drool. I so want one of those.

It's making me think of a kitchen I was in not so long ago, in a rowhouse in Georgetown here in DC. It looked like it dated from the 70's, and the fascinating thing about it was that all the counters were made of stainless steel, and had obviously been fabricated for that specific layout as they had seamless corners. The stove burners, electric, were integrated right into the countertop, and there was an integrated drainboard. While the kitchen was old and in need of renovation, it was so cool the owners just could not bring themselves to do away with that counter and stove.

You've done an amazing job. I can't wait to see the finished product.

As far as the backsplash goes, take your time and figure out what you really want. There are so many design and material options that playing with various design ideas is half the fun.

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