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Old 11-02-2012, 08:35 AM   #7081
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Keith, is that Mapps gas you got? That is a neat set up there, I have a torch that I just pull the trigger and it lights up but the tip doesn't turn like yours, I can see where that would come in handy.
Not sure what kind of gas Jim...next time I use it I will look.

You can turn the business end of the torch right around for 360.

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Jim, the gas is listed as being Max Power Propylene, which I guess must be Mapps gas, 99.5% propylene 115-07-1.

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Jim, the gas is listed as being Max Power Propylene, which I guess must be Mapps gas, 99.5% propylene 115-07-1.

Learned something new today.
Mapps gas burns a lot hotter, you can even braze with it, I am told. I am going to have to check out that new type of torch, I have a lot of sweathing to do coming up soon.

Keith, it you have an Ace Hardware up your way, they have a small heat shield made out of thick aluminum foil and some kind of white insulation, I put this behind the pipe I am sweating and the wood behind it doesn't even get warm. You probably already knew this though.
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Jim, the gas is listed as being Max Power Propylene, which I guess must be Mapps gas, 99.5% propylene 115-07-1.

Learned something new today.
Mapps gas burns a lot hotter, you can even braze with it, I am told. I am going to have to check out that new type of torch, I have a lot of sweathing to do coming up soon.

Keith, it you have an Ace Hardware up your way, they have a small heat shield made out of thick aluminum foil and some kind of white insulation, I put this behind the pipe I am sweating and the wood behind it doesn't even get warm. You probably already knew this though.
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Jim, the gas is listed as being Max Power Propylene, which I guess must be Mapps gas, 99.5% propylene 115-07-1.

Learned something new today.
Mapps gas burns a lot hotter, you can even braze with it, I am told. I am going to have to check out that new type of torch, I have a lot of sweathing to do coming up soon.

Keith, it you have an Ace Hardware up your way, they have a small heat shield made out of thick aluminum foil and some kind of white insulation, I put this behind the pipe I am sweating and the wood behind it doesn't even get warm. You probably already knew this though.
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Jim, the gas is listed as being Max Power Propylene, which I guess must be Mapps gas, 99.5% propylene 115-07-1.

Learned something new today.
Mapps gas burns a lot hotter, you can even braze with it, I am told. I am going to have to check out that new type of torch, I have a lot of sweathing to do coming up soon.

Keith, it you have an Ace Hardware up your way, they have a small heat shield made out of thick aluminum foil and some kind of white insulation, I put this behind the pipe I am sweating and the wood behind it doesn't even get warm. You probably already knew this though.
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That's right Jim, the box lists the size of brazing that you can do and it's quite big. Soldering can be done up to 3".
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Sorry Jim, I should have answered about the heat shield. That Roxul insulation I use is completely non-combstible, even by a welding torch. You can stuff that around an area to keep things from burning.

But with this torch, mainly because of the fact that you can swivel the tip to any direction you want, it makes a concentrated heat with a swirling motion to the gas (got that off the box). It really does make a big difference.
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The incoming lines are now all connected through the filters and water heater to the various sink, shower and tub supplies. Certainly glad that's done.
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As for the drains...well, nearly there, but it took over two hours to get a hole through the floor under the kitchen sink.

My faithful 1/2" B & D drill finally bit the dust. It has been on the way out for some time, but today was it's final go round.

I ended up trying to get a hole through the floor - which is about 2 1/2" thick - with a brace and bit and hammer and chisel. That's where the two hours comes from.

Now I have the pleasure of crawling under the house and connecting all the drains into one. I am starting to wonder how I can fit a 200 pound lump into a 150 pound space.
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As for the drains...well, nearly there, but it took over two hours to get a hole through the floor under the kitchen sink.

My faithful 1/2" B & D drill finally bit the dust. It has been on the way out for some time, but today was it's final go round.

I ended up trying to get a hole through the floor - which is about 2 1/2" thick - with a brace and bit and hammer and chisel. That's where the two hours comes from.

Now I have the pleasure of crawling under the house and connecting all the drains into one. I am starting to wonder how I can fit a 200 pound lump into a 150 pound space.
All your plumbing looks really impressive Keith, the on demand water heater is sharp, I have thought about one when our old tank goes out. Could you let me know how you like it?

Buddy I sure know what you mean about under the house, talk about sore, I discovered places I didn't even know I had places. I will be glad when I see 200 pounds again, there is about 37 pounds of me that Judy is illegally married to, ya know what I mean.
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Because of our location, there are quite a few people who have the tankless water heaters. Of course, they come in all sorts of capacities and prices to match.

The little one I have here is a small Bosch for which I paid $500. The only things you need to watch with the tankless heaters are making sure that the water pressure remains high enough - typically 40 p.s.i. - and that you don't try to run more than one thing at a time. So, if you are having a shower, Judy will need to wait before she runs the dishwasher.

I have chatted to two people here who have tried to run these water heaters with the small boat pressure pumps, and that just doesn't work. They have nowhere near the capacity. But for anyone on a city type water supply you will have no problem. And right there is the main reason that I installed a big pressure tank (10.3 gallon drawdown) with a real jet pump.

Now Dan here on the other side of the island has the biggest tankless you can buy. It has two propane lines run into it because it is so big! I don't know what kind of pressure system he has, but knowing Dan it will be the biggest and the best. I have a hunch he also uses his for his hot tub.
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Because of our location, there are quite a few people who have the tankless water heaters. Of course, they come in all sorts of capacities and prices to match.

The little one I have here is a small Bosch for which I paid $500. The only things you need to watch with the tankless heaters are making sure that the water pressure remains high enough - typically 40 p.s.i. - and that you don't try to run more than one thing at a time. So, if you are having a shower, Judy will need to wait before she runs the dishwasher.

I have chatted to two people here who have tried to run these water heaters with the small boat pressure pumps, and that just doesn't work. They have nowhere near the capacity. But for anyone on a city type water supply you will have no problem. And right there is the main reason that I installed a big pressure tank (10.3 gallon drawdown) with a real jet pump.

Now Dan here on the other side of the island has the biggest tankless you can buy. It has two propane lines run into it because it is so big! I don't know what kind of pressure system he has, but knowing Dan it will be the biggest and the best. I have a hunch he also uses his for his hot tub.
Thanks Keith, pressure is no problem here at all, it is just the other way around here. We are 1 mile from Lookout Mountain and they have to really ramp up the pressure to get the water to the top of the mountains. I had to install two pressure regulators because the pressure was blowing everyone's water heaters up. If you turn the hoes on out side you better not let it stop spraying, it will blow the best of water hoses up.
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She wanted to put me on the statin drugs, I told her no way, that drug hurts my joints and everything else.
Reminds me...I was on Lipitor for about two years. My cholesterol was being managed satisfactorily but in what I thought was an isolated complaint I was complaining to my doctor about being sore all of the time. This complaint (symptom) continued for a year or more. Hell I couldn't bend over to pick things up off the floor. I had a minimal range of motion in all joints and had trouble getting on the floor to work and then had to have somthing to assist me in standing up after being in the floor.

Had x rays resulting in no serious signs of any old guy stuff. Finally the doctor told me not to take any more Lipitor. After about two months all of my joint and fatigue symptoms had gone away. IT WAS THE DAMNED LIPITOR!!!

Seems that what I was experiencing was all side-effects of Lipitor.

Stay away from that stuff.
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We're just the opposite Jim. We have city water, but the pressure is terrible. The house across the street has great water pressure though.

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