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Old 05-12-2011, 01:09 AM   #4651
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Here's the left end closet wall, two coats of Minwax. I don't think it needs anything else.
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Wow, Ce regard fantastique !!!!

Keep up good work there.

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It all looks gorgeous Keith. I'm anxious to see what the closet looks like when it's completed.

The flowers are beautiful. What is the name of the pink flower in the second picture?
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must be nice to see the colors in the wood pop back on stuff you installed awhile ago
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It all looks gorgeous Keith. I'm anxious to see what the closet looks like when it's completed.

The flowers are beautiful. What is the name of the pink flower in the second picture?
That plant is a Pieris Japonica and it is actually the leaves which turn that lovely colour. There are several in the Japanese garden.
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must be nice to see the colors in the wood pop back on stuff you installed awhile ago
Hi Tim:

Indeed it is.

We thought we would try a couple of different finishes to see how they came out over a large area.

The Minwax seems to bring more of the colour out, while the Diamond satin Varathane is a little more subdued. I also used some Diamond gloss Varathane for the window casings and sills. It's the same stuff they use on bowling alley surfaces and it's tough as nails.
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Just absolutely fantastic, the flowers and your home. You are a blessed and talented young man buddy. You also take beautiful pictures Keith.
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Been following your project for a year or more now. Always amazed at how you approach and solve problems, especially with wood and weather.

For years I've been using a two coat system on wood. First is to apply a coat of what's called a sanding sealer which needs to be sanded between the next coat which is usually a polyurethane finish of some sort.

I notice in your recent photo and description you applied two coats of the finish only and no sanding sealer. The final product you illustrate is superb.

Any thoughts on the value of sanding sealer?

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Been following your project for a year or more now. Always amazed at how you approach and solve problems, especially with wood and weather.

For years I've been using a two coat system on wood. First is to apply a coat of what's called a sanding sealer which needs to be sanded between the next coat which is usually a polyurethane finish of some sort.

I notice in your recent photo and description you applied two coats of the finish only and no sanding sealer. The final product you illustrate is superb.

Any thoughts on the value of sanding sealer?

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Thanks Chuck:

First of all, welcome to the thread.

I have from time to time used sealers, and I think it would all depend on what you were doing with the wood once it was sealed.

To a large degree, the sealer is there for the purpose of - obviously - sealing the wood, but it also has the effect of keeping out any additional finish from penetrating the wood. So, if you want to bring the colour of the wood out, I think the sealer might inhibit that.

If you've been tagging along for a year or so, you know I usually will try to experiment with most finishes before I commit to doing a large area. I must say that over the years I have done literally thousands of square feet of cedar, so I pretty much know what to expect.

Sealers might be more commonly used in furniture finishing, where you have a specific wood which you do not wish to change colour too much. Alternatively, it may also be used after the application of some types of stain, again to prevent much subsequent change in the wood colour.
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Thanks for the kind reply. I see I have some experimenting to do. Seems the lastest version of sanding sealer from MinWax dries with a slight rubbery texture to it so that when it's sanded the residue reminds me of how those old Artgum erasers that left little balls of eraser material. Always something to gum up the works.

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Thanks for the kind reply. I see I have some experimenting to do. Seems the lastest version of sanding sealer from MinWax dries with a slight rubbery texture to it so that when it's sanded the residue reminds me of how those old Artgum erasers that left little balls of eraser material. Always something to gum up the works.

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Hmmmm...that seems very odd. Any sealer ought to dry out completely and make little, if any, change to the wood. If it's leaving something like that on the surface, a couple of things come to mind.

Firstly, either the wood isn't dry, or for some reason the sealer isn't penetrating properly. Either way, it sounds as though the sealer is not curing properly.

If you have an oily wood - and there are many of those - that might be the problem also. I remember many years ago when I was using my first pieces of cocobolo from Mexico, that I could not get my finish to dry. Can't remember what I was using now, but it turns out that about all you can use is hand rubbed oil, and very sparingly at that.

What wood are you experiencing this trouble with?
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Thanks again for your thoughts on the subject. I don't want to steal your thread with this.

I'm going to dispense with the sanding sealer and use two coats of the polyurethane finish and sand between coats, which is about what I think you are doing on your cedar.

My project is using thin ~ 3/16" thick Luan plywood, so I'd assume that since it says it comes from China it's pretty dry.

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Thanks again for your thoughts on the subject. I don't want to steal your thread with this.

I'm going to dispense with the sanding sealer and use two coats of the polyurethane finish and sand between coats, which is about what I think you are doing on your cedar.

My project is using thin ~ 3/16" thick Luan plywood, so I'd assume that since it says it comes from China it's pretty dry.

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Chuck, you're not stealing the thread. This is what we do here...try to get things figured out for one another.

What you are talking about with 3/16" Lauan is a different kettle of fish all together.

You probably know this already, but Luan is Philippine mahogany. The odd thing is that it isn't a true mahogany at all.

Now, with plywood, I think you will find the outer layers are well under 1/16" thick...please correct me if I'm wrong there, as different manufacturers may have different thicknesses. Usually, the skins are about 1/40" thick and will sand through very easily.

The other thing is that the glue used to bond the layers often reaches the surface and will therefore react with whatever finish you are putting on. This leads to your finish taking on a decidedly blotchy appearance. I have something here which I sometimes use to help with that but I can't remember the name of it right now (it's the old-timer's kicking in again) so if I can find the can I'll let you know what it is.

So here's what I would try if I were you. Using a test piece, sand it very carefully with around 220 grit strictly with the grain. Be very light with this and do it by hand only. Vacuum the wood clean.

First coat of your preferred finish, sand very lightly when it is completely dry, second coat same thing and then add a third coat of finish. In fact, I might do two or three test pieces so I could compare a two coat finish with a three coat finish.

Lauan is a very open porous wood, and something else you might try is a stain/filler type product first. This helps to fill all those pores in the wood, leading to a smoother end finish.

If I can find that can I'll be back later & tell you what it is.
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Chuck...here's the stuff I was talking about.

I see they call it a pre stain conditioner, but I don't see why it wouldn't be effective for any clear type of finish.
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After as much procrastination as I could possibly manage, I finally got around to fixing the table saw yesterday...only to discover that I now could no longer locate the special machined spacer that goes between the blade and the driven gear. Couldn't find any suitable washers either...so when we went to town yesterday I ordered up a new spacer.

Naturally it has to come all the way from Toronto, and naturally it will take forever to get here. I picked up some more or less suitable washers to use temporarily.

So this morning when I am poking around I spotted a bearing off the band saw mill, and it looked like it might be a close fit on the table saw arbor.

Close? Heck, it's absolutely perfect, which means I'm back in business.

The two awful looking posts in the bedroom are now sheathed in cedar, and the first coat of polyurethane has been applied.
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