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Old 12-05-2010, 12:07 AM   #4111
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Keith, the malaize you are experiencing is from the 'cold blow out' last week, from 'over there', and is prolly a 'winter Squamish", which causes maladies of lethargy, poor concentration, huge bouts of procrastination, and is 'tempered' by using 'oil' of the Haig and Haig brand, followed by...patience..and then renewed vigor, or if you are from Boston area.."Viggahh'! Lead on McDuff!!
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Pretty sure you are right about that.....only trouble is I quit when I was 11.

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"Sorry guys...been pretty much dragging my a$$ for the past couple of weeks. Not quite sure why."

I've had the same problem here too. Dark and gloomy. It kills your motivation factor. I don't want to step out and get anything from outside. It will pass. dorf dude...
Yep...for sure. Only trouble is here that now both of our engines on the boats are causing trouble. I don't have much choice but to fix at least one. Just a bundle of laughs in this lovely warm weather!
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Hey CoCo thought you would appreciate this.. I found these today and started smoothing out the frame to the cabinets to insert the glass into them today



They are have a cherry wood handle with a pretty good blade on them
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Hey CoCo thought you would appreciate this.. I found these today and started smoothing out the frame to the cabinets to insert the glass into them today



They are have a cherry wood handle with a pretty good blade on them
That looks like a pretty nice set of gouges. Did you just get them...or have you had them for awhile?
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That looks like a pretty nice set of gouges. Did you just get them...or have you had them for awhile?
Had them for along time... never really used them till really today. I got them in high school while i was in the art program during the sculpture portion of the program. ... think I will be picking up some other stuff to do with them once I get them sharpened up.. maybe find a nice piece of mahogany or something and do a relief project
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Had them for along time... never really used them till really today. I got them in high school while i was in the art program during the sculpture portion of the program. ... think I will be picking up some other stuff to do with them once I get them sharpened up.. maybe find a nice piece of mahogany or something and do a relief project
Well, I think you hit on the secret there...keeping gouges sharp is 9/10 of the success of working with them.
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Well, I think you hit on the secret there...keeping gouges sharp is 9/10 of the success of working with them.
Ugh Yea your right ... i think there is a sharpening tool that comes with my dremel tool
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Ugh Yea your right ... i think there is a sharpening tool that comes with my dremel tool
I think you should stay away from any power tool to sharpen a gouge with. If you stick with hand sharpening, you won't lose the temper in the metal.

You can get small curved sharpening stones to do the inside curves with which make it reasonably easy.
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Ugh Yea your right ... i think there is a sharpening tool that comes with my dremel tool
Bootz, I do a little carving and Coco is right, you can over heat a tool in a heart beat with an electric sharpener, if the metal ever changes color, the tool is damaged and trying to retemper the tool can be tough sometimes. If you want to check out

http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.co...earchid=433784

There are many ways to sharpen a tool just do a search and see how those folks do theirs.
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Bootz, I do a little carving and Coco is right, you can over heat a tool in a heart beat with an electric sharpener, if the metal ever changes color, the tool is damaged and trying to retemper the tool can be tough sometimes. If you want to check out

http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.co...earchid=433784

There are many ways to sharpen a tool just do a search and see how those folks do theirs.
The unfortunate fact is that just before the metal discolours it has lost its' temper. It's just that the change in colour offers up the final proof. I wouldn't want to learn tempering on a gouge, but rather on something like a file or screwdriver. It isn't terribly difficult, but it does take a bit of practice before you get the hang of it. And the thickness - or lack thereof - of the tip of the tool is what you need to be concerned about.

As Jim suggests, do some looking first, and try to get it right the first time.
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The unfortunate fact is that just before the metal discolours it has lost its' temper. It's just that the change in colour offers up the final proof. I wouldn't want to learn tempering on a gouge, but rather on something like a file or screwdriver. It isn't terribly difficult, but it does take a bit of practice before you get the hang of it. And the thickness - or lack thereof - of the tip of the tool is what you need to be concerned about.

As Jim suggests, do some looking first, and try to get it right the first time.
When I sharpen my gouges I will use my hand as a guide. If the tool is too hot to touch my hand I will stop then. Actually when you have the tools sharp all you will need to do is polish them about 20 minutes of use.

Keith, one day I would love to pick your brain about tempering a tool. I use to know but time seems to erase things for me.
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I think you should stay away from any power tool to sharpen a gouge with. If you stick with hand sharpening, you won't lose the temper in the metal.

You can get small curved sharpening stones to do the inside curves with which make it reasonably easy.


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Bootz, I do a little carving and Coco is right, you can over heat a tool in a heart beat with an electric sharpener, if the metal ever changes color, the tool is damaged and trying to retemper the tool can be tough sometimes. If you want to check out

http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.co...earchid=433784

There are many ways to sharpen a tool just do a search and see how those folks do theirs.
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The unfortunate fact is that just before the metal discolours it has lost its' temper. It's just that the change in colour offers up the final proof. I wouldn't want to learn tempering on a gouge, but rather on something like a file or screwdriver. It isn't terribly difficult, but it does take a bit of practice before you get the hang of it. And the thickness - or lack thereof - of the tip of the tool is what you need to be concerned about.

As Jim suggests, do some looking first, and try to get it right the first time.
Yea thanks guys! I will do this and make them last a lot longer. I mean they were a lot of money and have been treating me well so I will research some more ways to sharpen them without the dremel. So let me get this straight... it shouldn't be some electric kind of tool that will over heat the metal; so I should try doing a hand sharping tool manually? Any chance anyone know of a good way to sharpen these tools without breaking them?
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A fellow by the name of Leonard Lee - who also happens to be the founder of Lee Valley Tools, wrote what I consider to be the best book on the subject of sharpening hand tools. Chisels, plane blades, gouges, you name it.

He is now retired and his son runs the business.

If you can't find the book online, I'll get the info in the morning and post it here. I cannot recommend it highly enough.
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A fellow by the name of Leonard Lee - who also happens to be the founder of Lee Valley Tools, wrote what I consider to be the best book on the subject of sharpening hand tools. Chisels, plane blades, gouges, you name it.

He is now retired and his son runs the business.

If you can't find the book online, I'll get the info in the morning and post it here. I cannot recommend it highly enough.
Wow thanks a lot man really appreciate it ! When I was in high school and my mother bought me these I never really thought about how much care goes into these but after picking these back up and working with them I guess I have a new appreciation for them.
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I used to be good at remembering all these things tool and trade wise but sadly my head is full so that when something new comes in something has to be ejected and apparently I don't get to choose what goes oh well

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