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Old 09-07-2009, 03:58 PM   #346
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The little dinghy in the pic above is "Nova Spirit". I think she is 150' long and belongs to a well liked local businessman. He has half the car dealerships and food outlets in the province, among other things.

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Old 09-07-2009, 04:01 PM   #347
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...and quickly while we are chatting about boats, why is it that people have to park their boats in such strange ways here...
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Old 09-07-2009, 06:19 PM   #348
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The upper deck off the master bedroom is a long narrow curve, just a trace over 4' wide.
The substrate for this tile job is as follows.
The first layer on the deck is 1 x 6's. Then a layer of 5/8" T & G, which is both screwed and nailed down. Followed by 15# roofing felt, then the 3/8" backer board, which is again screwed and nailed down.
The tile is porcelain, 13" square, which means it is a little slower to cut than ceramic as it is somewhat harder. It is this way because porcelain is fired at a higher temperature than ceramic.
If you just cut slowly, it is not too noticeable.
Since the deck is curved, the inner and outer tiles will all require cutting at very slightly different angles. The inner cuts I am making straight.
The outer cuts are being marked on the tile from the underside, and the cut is necessarily being done in facets so that it will match as closely as possible.
20 minutes ago, the sun was shining. Now the rain has started (again) so I am sorry, but the picture looks a bit dull.
This is the layout using 3/16" spacers.
It looks like I will have to do sections about 7 or 8 feet long at a time, I'll play that one by ear when I get there.
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Old 09-07-2009, 06:37 PM   #349
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On the underside of the deck there are support pieces installed to prevent the deck from flexing. They are bolted on with 5/16" x 5" lag bolts to stiffen the deck as much as possible.
The section of deck which is in line with the 20' long hole in the master bedroom floor has only 7 1/2' long truss joists, which balance roughly in the center of the joists. The truss joists outside that area are much longer and anchor back securely into the house.
Because of the potential to flex in the middle, the supports were necessary.
Although supports would not be required towards the ends, I will put some in anyway purely for aesthetic reasons.
The fact that the curve adds to the natural stiffness of the structure is merely an added bonus. Believe me, the deck is very stiff when you walk on it.
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Old 09-07-2009, 08:48 PM   #350
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Wow, glad to see you and yours are back! Often times when I was "breaking" my back to build my Big deck on house by myself..(Taurus), I looked over at your place...because I can..and wondered if, by your abscense from the DIY list, you were concotting, a ..Great finish..and now..you sound renewed..and seeing your..production.WOW!! I will only let people see my deck after 11:00 PM==*^)! When it is dark!

Press on..I plan to .."land' on your shores in the immenent future and perhaps..'claim' it for...oh never mind..those 'days' are 'legal' matters now!
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:06 PM   #351
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Tell those boys to take better care of their toys. lol. A few things I'll mention from your pictures. You may already know but maybe it will help others reading here. You'll want to cut the siding higher for the "L" flashing before you install any tile, as it's a real bugger to do afterward. Research "Grace" ice and water shield instead of tar paper as it seals much better in your application. May want to install your handrail posts before tile so as not to damage it at installation. With a 4' cantilever on the I-joists, it is required to install plywood stiffeners on each side of every one, full distance out and twice as far back from the bearing wall. But whatever your engineering specifies will work, is safe I'm sure. The deck requires a soffit to protect the indoor engineered lumber from moisture in the air condensing and rotting it out. Not trying to nit-pick, I just want everyone to be safe as you are taking the responsibity for their safety, not a contractor. Your Inspector will want to see the engineering on the joists with that much of a cantilever, anyway. Looks like you are moving right along, beautiful area to have to work in. Good place to sell depth finders......
Be safe, G
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Hey, my man, how the heck are you?
Well, between rain showers today - and you know what I mean, I think you must have got twice as much as us, I managed to get about the first 15' of the deck tile cut.
Now the curve is much more obvious.
Once the tiling, grouting and sealing is finished, then I can get the posts put on.
I suppose it might not be a bad idea to get them made...sometime soon...
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Old 09-07-2009, 10:16 PM   #353
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GBR - Sorry I missed your post before I did the last one.
I think if you were here, you would understand far better what it is I have done.
I'm with you on the siding/flashing issue, except for one thing.
Because the truss joists, which in case you cannot see, have plywood on both sides, and because they are level, I have opted for a different method of keeping any driven rain out.
Just using an ordinary flashing under the siding and over the tile would still permit water to get back and potentially into the wall. Admittedly not likely, but potentially.
From my years of doing construction and particularly deck building, I have long been aware that the weak point - as far as longevity goes - is the connection between the deck and the house. By weak, I don't mean as in fall off tomorrow, but rather as the potential place for rot to set in.
I have replaced far too many decks over the years to know this is a real problem.
So I am going to use a flexible sealer between the tile and the siding to try and prevent this from ever becoming an issue.
And further to that, there is a roof over the deck which extends about 8" beyond the edge of the deck, so it is only driven rain which hits the deck at all.
Moving on to the deck posts now, I cannot install the posts until the tiling is done, as there is going to be a piece of aluminum flashing going on the outside edge. Obviously, that must wait for the tiles. When you see how the posts get done, you will understand why there will be no chance of damaging the tiles. The flashing will be sealed in a similar fashion to the back end of the tiles.
And that also answers your question about the soffit.
That will be the last piece of the puzzle. I already have it all cut, so no worries there.
This picture is of the soffit below the roof of the house, which sits above the deck in question, which keeps probably 98% of the rain off the deck. The soffit under the deck will be similar to what you see here.
Each board is tapered and dadoed to match the curve of the roof, or deck as the case may be.
I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what you say when you mention "not a contractor". You are not one, or I am not one?
And one final thing, the depth of the truss joists with the soffit and decking is over 13". Now you can see why everything is so stiff.
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Old 09-07-2009, 11:52 PM   #354
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Very glad to hear you know what you are doing. I see so many posts where they have done things wrong, not just questionable.This is why I point out particular things, the next response from the poster will tell me if they understand their project or not.The contractor is a lead-in for the next post, if required, to show they are responsible for the engineering, permits, inspections, and minimum safety of what they build to code or not, just as a Licensed Contractor would be. Sounds as if everything will work out. Sorry to have caused you extra typing when you are so busy. Keep up the good work!
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GBR, thank you for being so understanding.
This may come as a surprise to your good self and others, but we do not get building inspections here.
This is not something that I am in favour (Canadian spelling) of.
In fact, when I first came here, I went to see the senior building inspector who is supposed to cover this area to offer to cover the inspections for them.
As I was the only fully qualified journeyman carpenter on the island, I though it might help them.
I got more excuses than you can imagine, so that idea went out the window.
The upshot of this lack of inspections is that people here know they will NOT be inspected, and so will try to get away with anything they can.
I am constantly lobbying here on the island for people to do things more or less by the book, or at the very least safely.
However, with the escalations in real estate prices here in the past decade, and the fact that there are several quite nice and expensive houses going up, this may be changing.
As soon as we start to get proper building inspections done by a qualified inspection service - as may be the case when a property is up for sale - I expect there will be a change of attitude.
I can cite a current case in which a property is for sale here with the asking price of $389,000. The one and only offer is $250,00, to which the owner has taken great offense.
This particular house, while not looking too bad, is built with wood on dirt. Not a trace of concrete anywhere. It is at the point where serious damage is now starting to happen, and if not remedied very shortly, the house will have little value at all.
I'm afraid I don't have the least sympathy for them (the owners) as it should never have been built this way in the first place.
All this would have been avoided if they had applied for a permit, provided proper plans and had an inspection. Which of course was never done.
I further understand, that until about 15 years ago, the building department did have their own boat, and inspections were done on the local small islands. Budget cuts ended that, and the result has been little short of disastrous.
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Wow, you are one of those .."people'..that..."us' can learn so much from!! Keep the postings comming!! How are you and .."yours" doing..since ..'winter', such as it can be called..'sets in"? I purchased and entire.."new" kitchen..with new applinces..for 1000 Can, and now instead of finishing the ..'current' projects..have amassed, a ..'ton' of ..'happy points' for my wife..except..I never have a wage..it is just..free!! Syd
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Hi guys:
Sorry to be so long between posts, but my mum has been gravely ill for the past several weeks. Both my wife and I have been taking turns looking after her, along with my sister and niece. She was in hospital - had her appendics out at the age of 87 - but has since returned home for her final days. We all accept that it is her time, but that doesn't make it any easier, especially for mum.
Life will go on and things will return to normal.
I have the tiling on the deck finished and all grouted. Some of the storms we have had here over the past few weeks have been dandies. But it appears no damage at all to the tile.
I doubt that the railing will go on until some time next spring now, as the weather is just too wet and cold.
We did get the grouting done (finally) on the slate tile where the second wood stove is going downstairs. The hole is cut in the floor to run the chimney pipe through. I just need to line the sides of the hole before the job is done.
As usual, I have twenty other projects underway, not the least of which is the building of a couple of wind generators and some more solar panels.
I'll keep you posted as I am able.
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Hi Cocobolo. Just wanted to let you know that my thoughts and prayers are with your mum, you, your wife, sister and niece. God bless all of you for taking care of her as you say, "in her final days".

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Cocobolo, my prayers go out to you and your family. The house can wait while you spend time with your mum. Scott
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Wow,the twists and turns of fate! I am just now comming out of a similar situation..except..as an observer..rather than a particpant..(wife's Dad)..and the time spent with the .."rellies"..made me appreciate how much.."here". means to me! I Can't even try to understand..what you are going through, but..you and your better half..seem to be.."people who are..out there..by design, purpose, and dedication",and I feel that the 'flow' from your architecture and design, will give you strength, through the troubled times..our hearts and souls, are meagre support! Looking for the "brighter sun"!
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