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Old 08-10-2010, 11:34 AM   #2116
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Keith, I can see how the red one would be bad on a knot with the high angle. I'm with you on the last plane, that would be my favorite also, I bet it cuts so smooth.


Beautiful, Keith, by the way, what type of insulation are you using? It kind a looks like cellulose.

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Jim:

The insulation is called Roxul flexibatt. It is made from rock - of all things - right here in B.C. I believe they also have a plant over in Ontario.

It is 100% fireproof, doesn't melt, nothing. I tried with a welding torch and all it did was to turn black. We put some in the wood stove as well...same thing.

And it doesn't itch! Cuts with a bread knife and holds its' shape perfectly.

I haven't touched fiberglass since we found this stuff.
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I am in the process of getting ready to install some insulation. I was going to use the DOW no itch, no formaldehyde cotton type insulation but it is a little pricey. I would love to get some more info on this stuff you are using. How is the price compared to glass?
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The insulation is called Roxul flexibatt. It is made from rock - of all things - right here in B.C. I believe they also have a plant over in Ontario.

It is 100% fireproof, doesn't melt, nothing. I tried with a welding torch and all it did was to turn black. We put some in the wood stove as well...same thing.

And it doesn't itch! Cuts with a bread knife and holds its' shape perfectly.

I haven't touched fiberglass since we found this stuff.
Wow, that is amazing, I haven't heard of that before, I am with Justin, I would love to see more about that. I used a lot of the cellulose in the old homes and it did a fantastic job, it was fire resistant but not fire proof. The cellulose was miles ahead of the fiberglass batts as far as insulating goes.
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I am in the process of getting ready to install some insulation. I was going to use the DOW no itch, no formaldehyde cotton type insulation but it is a little pricey. I would love to get some more info on this stuff you are using. How is the price compared to glass?
Justin, it's been awhile since we bought any, but I seem to recall that it was about 10% more than f/g.

From my point of view, that was a no brainer, because this insulation is 10% higher R value than f/g. For example, the 6" f/g is R-20, the Roxul is R-22. IMO it's just an all round better product.

Home Depot carries in up here, so you might check with them to see if they have it where you are.

Someone else asked me about this maybe a year or more ago, and at the time it wasn't available in the States.

After having used this - 90 bags worth in our place - I wouldn't touch f/g ever again.
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Wow, that is amazing, I haven't heard of that before, I am with Justin, I would love to see more about that. I used a lot of the cellulose in the old homes and it did a fantastic job, it was fire resistant but not fire proof. The cellulose was miles ahead of the fiberglass batts as far as insulating goes.
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When we first put the Roxul in here, it was a brand new product, and it was only made in B.C. So we were the first consumers to use it.

Within just a few months, it became so popular that HD couldn't keep it in stock. It was out the door as fast as it came in.

Luckily for us, we could only bring over a few bales at a time, so it wasn't any real problem for us.
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I did a little research on their website. It looks like you still need to be somewhat careful with this stuff, they recommend dust masks and gloves. I found this on a website talking about the pros and cons of rockwool. This info that I found is not from Roxul's website

"Rockwool is made of slag, which is a recycled steel product, and rock, a trap rock mined in Texas...those are the only raw materials in rockwool insulation..we use "coke" which is a recyled material from coal..it is used to make the heat hotter in the manufacturing process, in order to save energy...rockwool is the safest insulation on the market today...it also has one of the best thermal insualting properties as well as a superior sound control while not supporting mold or mildew..all while not having to add any chemicals...many other insulation products on the market today are either all chemcial, foams, or have chemicals added to them to keep them fire retardant, cellulose..."
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Roxul has been available here in Michigan for about a year. I have to drive quite a distance to get it, because HD doesn't have it yet. At least the last time I checked they didn't. Here's a link to the website:

http://www.roxul.com/home

I believe you can type in your zip code to find a store nearby that sells it.

Keith, thanks for all the pictures and information about the planes. I guess a beginner would want to practice on some scrap wood for a while to get the hang of using each individual plane.

The windows look fabulous! Especially with the colors and curves of the walls and ceiling around them.

That's a cute hammer too. Your grandson will love using it on his next visit. Other than letting the kids work with it, what is the purpose of the short handle on it?
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I did a little research on their website. It looks like you still need to be somewhat careful with this stuff, they recommend dust masks and gloves. I found this on a website talking about the pros and cons of rockwool. This info that I found is not from Roxul's website

"Rockwool is made of slag, which is a recycled steel product, and rock, a trap rock mined in Texas...those are the only raw materials in rockwool insulation..we use "coke" which is a recyled material from coal..it is used to make the heat hotter in the manufacturing process, in order to save energy...rockwool is the safest insulation on the market today...it also has one of the best thermal insualting properties as well as a superior sound control while not supporting mold or mildew..all while not having to add any chemicals...many other insulation products on the market today are either all chemcial, foams, or have chemicals added to them to keep them fire retardant, cellulose..."
Justin, I was aware that the cellulose had a chemical fire retardant as all it is is just ground up newspaper. If and when I need more insulation I will for sure go with the Roxul. It is amazing that rock would be a good insulator though.
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I was unaware that this may have some slag in it, but perhaps it doesn't.

I remember when we first got the Roxul, that I picked up the brochure about it. I just remember that it was made from rock. I don't think they mentioned anything else.

Rockwool may not be the same product, I don't know.

I haven't found it necessary to use gloves and a mask, although I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to do that. We have never had any itch whatsoever from this stuff.
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I just wonder what the difference between this new insulation and the old blown-in rockwool insulation I am used to seeing in attics here in the northeast. That stuff once old and deteriorated is I think much worse than just the fiber-glass!
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Barb, they call this an "apartment hammer".

I guess because all you need a hammer for in an apartment would be to drive a few small nails in the wall to hang pictures!
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I just wonder what the difference between this new insulation and the old blown-in rockwool insulation I am used to seeing in attics here in the northeast. That stuff once old and deteriorated is I think much worse than just the fiber-glass!
Justin: this Roxul is nothing at all like the blown in rockwool. I have my doubts that this will ever deteriorate. We have put some on the bonfire, left it out in the rain...nothing seems to affect it at all.
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I found a link on rockwool and it is made from rock but it can't be the same thing you are using Keith as this in this link is the old stuff that would eat you alive. Here is the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_wool
I remember vividly using rockwool and that stuff back in the late 50s and 60s stayed with you for a few miserable days.
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Thanks for the link, Jim.

It looks like there may be some similarities, but I believe that Roxul is not the same as Rockwool. I think the company should be able to give the right information.

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