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Old 07-22-2010, 02:18 PM   #1831
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Keith, when I hit the edit button there is no picture showing, do I just go on and post and it will show after the picture when saved?

Thanks buddy, that was a rail I built in a house built in 1842.

Now I got it, Marine Spar Varnish, I would feel secure with my outside projects protected with that. I thought maybe you were using a new product I wasn't familiar with.
Thanks for taking the time to explain for me Keith, I appreciate that.

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The picture doesn't show, but as far as I know, your extra text will not go after the picture, just before.

Having said that, I'm about the last person you should ask how this works, me and computers are...well...uh...not supremely compatible, shall we say.

I would suggest that you ask a moderator, they would know 100 times more than me.

As far as new products, I have always stuck with the tried and true.

I could well be wrong here, but it seems to me that most of the newer water based fast dry products seem to be for inside use only. I understand that they do not have the UV inhibitors in them.

I really do like the Varathane type products for inside, they are so easy to use. Some are water cleanup, and some are oil based. I haven't used the oil based yet.

I do have one of the Minwax oil based products, but have only done a small test so far, I wouldn't consider that as being legitimately used.

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Old 07-22-2010, 03:38 PM   #1832
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I made up some small cauls with plastic stapled on so that I don't have to fumble with that and waste any time. They work OK.
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Well, at long last I glued up the first couple of pieces! Not very spectacular, but it's a start. I needed three pairs of cauls to keep the boards straight.

Dead easy to do with this little setup.

I also glued up some test pieces of cedar, with the intent of seeing how long it takes them to become firmly glued.

I tested the first piece at 90 minutes after gluing, it failed. Once it holds, then I will be able to remove the clamps on the railing and add the next pieces. I'll try again at the 2 1/2 hour mark.
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:26 PM   #1834
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Looks like I am always thanking you for helping me out.LOL Thanks for the information on posting after a picture. Now that is strange, I can build computers but when it comes to things like that I am lost.

I am like you, usually will stick with what I know will work. I have used the water based urethane and it does a pretty good job but it for sure is for inside only.

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Looks like I am always thanking you for helping me out.LOL Thanks for the information on posting after a picture. Now that is strange, I can build computers but when it comes to things like that I am lost.

I am like you, usually will stick with what I know will work. I have used the water based urethane and it does a pretty good job but it for sure is for inside only.

Jim
You know, that stuff is incredibly tough. I wonder why they don't make the same thing with some good UV inhibitors in it? That way it could be used outside.

It is a little more costly than varnish (well, some of the brands anyway) but you get something like 700 square feet per gallon coverage. So, in reality it's not expensive.
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Time slipped by without noticing, and I tried to take the next pieces of wood apart at 3 hours. It was barely possible, but the chisel had to be driven hard into the joint. For all practical purposes, it was immovable.

This lets me know that I can remove clamps at 3 hours and get on to the next pieces. I am mindful of the fact that it is quite warm today, although the wind is keeping the temperature down somewhat.

Section 2 done.
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Section 3 underway...and I ran out of clamps! Can't believe it!

...must be some more around here somewhere...
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Keith, the holes you have in the top of the rail, are you going to plug them and if so with what type of wood?

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Keith, the holes you have in the top of the rail, are you going to plug them and if so with what type of wood?

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Most definitely. I have only drilled holes in the yellow cedar, and I have countersunk them fairly deeply. I will use the same wood to plug with. That way they will hardly show.

I did some plugs on the short rail outside the front door several years ago, and I used Honduras Mahogany. They look pretty good and match the red cedar strips fairly well.

But I think there is enough going on with all those strips that will eventually be there that I don't need anything else to add to what is yet to come.
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In my last post I didn't finish my thought as I answered the question I was going to ask you before I posted. I knew the holes wouldn't show and felt you were going to plug them but I wasn't sure with what. That will make a beautiful rail buddy. I have done as you have at times, plugged with totally different wood or used the same wood and match as close as possible.

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Is it 20 layers of wood you used in the pic in post #1841?
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Is it 20 layers of wood you used in the pic in post #1841?
You can't quite see them all Barb. I just went and counted, and there are 23 rows there. I must have been nuts to do that!
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It sure does look nice though!

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Section 3 underway...and I ran out of clamps! Can't believe it!

...must be some more around here somewhere...
I almost fainted myself!

Thanks for the invite Keith! I'll just grab the Boss's overalls, cap, belt and hooks (for climbing)and head up that way! I'll stop by and get a wide lens camera too. Heck, maybe I can cut a few limbs and get a good view. Has anyone else thought about how odd that Keith still has trees left on that place?????

I don't mind working Keith, but please.....don't use me as a clamp!
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I almost fainted myself!

Thanks for the invite Keith! I'll just grab the Boss's overalls, cap, belt and hooks (for climbing)and head up that way! I'll stop by and get a wide lens camera too. Heck, maybe I can cut a few limbs and get a good view. Has anyone else thought about how odd that Keith still has trees left on that place?????

I don't mind working Keith, but please.....don't use me as a clamp!
I did a little checking into the wide angle lenses, and you can just get an accessory which screws into the front of the regular Canon lens. I didn't realize they were so inexpensive. I guess I will be ordering one of those up PDQ.

And as far as using you as a clamp, I thought how neat it would be to just be able to ask you to "hold this for a couple of hours" instead of having to continually put the clamps on and take them off again.

I went out a couple of mornings ago and tried to get pics of a sunrise here - just for you. I think officially sunrise was at 5:32 a.m. that morning, and it was about 3 hours before the sun finally got its' act together and rose above the trees.

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