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Old 07-21-2010, 11:47 PM   #1816
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Next step will be to dismantle this lot, after I put identifying marks all over the place. Then glue up the first small section. I expect any problems will show up there, so I hope I will be ready to deal with them.

What you see here represents about 1/3 of the final width of the railing.

Whatever I am short of with the cedar that is already cut I will cover with some choice 17' long clear cedar I have been hiding for just such an emergency!

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Old 07-21-2010, 11:50 PM   #1817
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Keith, I feel so sorry for you...




...having to work under those conditions every day. How do you endure?
Bud, you have no idea how many times I keep asking myself that same question every day.

I just go for a swim!

And if I'm lucky, there will be some bikini clad (or not) babes there!
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Wow, I see what you mean about doing some head scratching now. That is one looooong rail and for one person doing what you are doing is unreal. I hope you got some real slow setting glue.

That view is fantastic, there is no way I could leave that.
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Wow, I see what you mean about doing some head scratching now. That is one looooong rail and for one person doing what you are doing is unreal. I hope you got some real slow setting glue.

That view is fantastic, there is no way I could leave that.
Actually, the glue I use works opposite to how epoxy works. On the one hand that's good, but on the other it causes trouble.

When you mix epoxy in batches, it will kick off quite quickly, unless you get it spread out nice and thin and then it takes it's own sweet time.

This glue can be mixed in quite large batches - let's say 6 or 8 ounces - and if you leave it in a closed container, it's good for a couple of days. (The company says 8 hours, but my experience shows it's still good after two days.) However, as soon as you spread it out as when you are coating a board, you have 5 minutes of open time.

That's all well and good if you are only putting two pieces of wood together...no problem. But if you need to glue up 5 rows - as in this case - this means that I will have 4 glue lines, which means I will have to coat 8 surfaces.

Now I may be fast, but I ain't nowhere near that fast!

So what I will do is to coat a dummy piece of wood to see how many lineal feet I can cover in one minute. Multiply that by 5 and that's how many lineal feet I will be able to do at a time. Now you see why the gluing is a mad rush.

You need to clamp up quickly, then you get to wait around while that sets up, about 4 hours.

Compounding the problem is the fact that all the yellow cedar strips will also need to be screwed back in to their original holes again! Piece of cake, right?
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Noooo I wouldn't call that a piece of cake. When gluing up a radius stair rail we had about twenty minutes to glue up and clamp in place and I thought that was a mad rush, and there were two of us on the rail. Is there a way you can glue and clamp two strips together and screw from the inside piece to hold together? I have done something similar and it worked fine for me. Just keep the screws out of the way of your router bits. And here I am preaching to the choir.lol Just over look me buddy.

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Hi Cocobolo, gma2rjc and I are members on another forum and they messaged me there about your glass question . First, beautiful pieces of found glass, that's a treat!! At 1/4" it's too thick to hand cut like most studio glass, which comes at a standard 3mm, some are thinner or thicker by a mm or two so give or take but those aren't as typical. Anyways, your best and cheapest bet is to find an art glass studio with a ring saw and have them cut it down to size for you. The ring saws they have will have the right size wire blade along with the moisture needed to make cuts like that without the friction being too much for the glass and causing unwanted breakage and weakness.
I'd also talk to them beforehand about the window, is it square (which most really aren't *lol) and are you framing the glass in a came or a wood and how to secure it for a safe install. I'm not sure if your in the Victoria area much but you can ask Victorian Art Glass if they can help you out . You could also hang the panel in front of the window instead of a full install, but it still would have some work down to get there, either way works great!
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Hi Cocobolo, gma2rjc and I are members on another forum and they messaged me there about your glass question . First, beautiful pieces of found glass, that's a treat!! At 1/4" it's too thick to hand cut like most studio glass, which comes at a standard 3mm, some are thinner or thicker by a mm or two so give or take but those aren't as typical. Anyways, your best and cheapest bet is to find an art glass studio with a ring saw and have them cut it down to size for you. The ring saws they have will have the right size wire blade along with the moisture needed to make cuts like that without the friction being too much for the glass and causing unwanted breakage and weakness.
I'd also talk to them beforehand about the window, is it square (which most really aren't *lol) and are you framing the glass in a came or a wood and how to secure it for a safe install. I'm not sure if your in the Victoria area much but you can ask Victorian Art Glass if they can help you out . You could also hang the panel in front of the window instead of a full install, but it still would have some work down to get there, either way works great!
Good morning Amber...first let me thank you most kindly for taking the trouble to answer my question.

There is a lovely art glass store in Nanaimo - which is where we go over to from this island to do our business. The wife is going over to town today, so she can stop in and ask them if they can help.

The cut pieces will be going into 13 spaces all in a row on the high part of the living room wall. The spaces already have been double glazed with single weight glass.

Originally, the wife was going to do stained glass windows for each one, but when we spotted this glass we both knew it would work a treat.

The finished glass size is going to be about 14" by 17". Is that too big for a ring saw to cut?

I did think of putting the pieces in front of the existing windows in an unbroken row, sort of a continuous piece of glass if you will. Much as I think you are saying about hanging it in front, that might look pretty good.

I would still need to trim the ends off so that the joins would happen over the framing and be basically invisible.

...and thanks again.

This is what we hope to fill up with this glass.
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Noooo I wouldn't call that a piece of cake. When gluing up a radius stair rail we had about twenty minutes to glue up and clamp in place and I thought that was a mad rush, and there were two of us on the rail. Is there a way you can glue and clamp two strips together and screw from the inside piece to hold together? I have done something similar and it worked fine for me. Just keep the screws out of the way of your router bits. And here I am preaching to the choir.lol Just over look me buddy.

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Jim...there will be no overlooking here...thank you very much!!!

I didn't think about screws, but I did think about using small nails.

There is a fair amount of strain pushing outward on some of the pieces of wood, especially the yellow cedar. The red bends more easily, and most of the red I have planed into slightly thinner strips, which you can see in the close up pic.

The yellow is 37/64", the red is 7/16". I do have two rows of red cut at 3/4", and that will be going on the outside. That way I hope to avoid a glue joint in the final outside shaping.

I may have to end up gluing a single row at a time as you suggest. That would probably be the safest.

One other thing with the yellow, is that some of it has a curve - more like a crook really - which causes the ends to rise up or drop down, or conversely the middle to pull out of line. Either way, that is solved with cauls top and bottom and a single clamp at each offending place.
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It looks like this when everything goes into line properly.
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This one shows the outward force with the yellow cedar...you can see a small gap.

The clamp is not quite grabbing the piece which is protruding, although it may look like it.

At glue up time, I will be adding a strip of wood, probably fir, to the outside to keep the pressure from the clamps spread more evenly along the whole section.
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Keith, there is no way you can heat your wood is there? I have bent wood and it held it's shape with heat. It does take quite a bit of heat though and I never tried it with wood that long. Here is a rail I used heat to bend but this is thinner strips of wood than you are using.
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I still can't figure out how to add onto a post after a picture.

That is going to be one great looking rail for sure, I would be afraid to put all that beautiful work outside to the elements. I have never used the type finish you are using, does it have UV blockers in it? Is it a type of urethane and how hard is it to apply? Here I go again with a ton of questions.

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Keith, there is no way you can heat your wood is there? I have bent wood and it held it's shape with heat. It does take quite a bit of heat though and I never tried it with wood that long. Here is a rail I used heat to bend but this is thinner strips of wood than you are using.
Wow, nice handrail Jim!

We used to use heat in the boatyard to bend wood all the time. This is thin enough that it shouldn't need such treatment.

We used a steambox which means that you bend the wood to shape right out of the box, and you do it quickly while the wood is still like plastic. Then let it set in place with the clamps. When it's dry, glue and screw it in place permanently.

Our local finishing store had some thin oak strips for the purpose you have shown. Thin enough that you don't need heat. But expensive! Hoo boy!
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I still can't figure out how to add onto a post after a picture.

That is going to be one great looking rail for sure, I would be afraid to put all that beautiful work outside to the elements. I have never used the type finish you are using, does it have UV blockers in it? Is it a type of urethane and how hard is it to apply? Here I go again with a ton of questions.

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Try using the edit button...

The finish on this rail will be regular marine spar varnish. It's loaded with UV blockers. 7 coats gives it loads of protection. The same finish as the arbutus table.

As far as applying, I generally add some thinner - about 7 - 10%, and some Japan dryer, just a few drops. I mix that in a small can, your typical 14oz. food container, keep it stirred while applying and discard the tin when done.

Currently, I am using a goat hair brush which I got from Lee Valley a few years back. They had them in batches of 30, dirt cheap. This is the only thing they have proved to be good for. Not sure if they still sell them or not. The brush is very fine and leaves no discernible brush marks.

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Keith, when I hit the edit button there is no picture showing, do I just go on and post and it will show after the picture when saved?

Thanks buddy, that was a rail I built in a house built in 1842.

Now I got it, Marine Spar Varnish, I would feel secure with my outside projects protected with that. I thought maybe you were using a new product I wasn't familiar with.
Thanks for taking the time to explain for me Keith, I appreciate that.

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