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Old 06-28-2010, 09:38 PM   #1501
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Thanks! I think all of those would work well.

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Old 06-28-2010, 10:45 PM   #1502
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The test pieces of virola show that the red mahogany stain will be the best match.

However, there seemed to be a problem with the stain not taking evenly to the wood.

So I am trying the pre-stain product from Minwax, the same manufacturer as the stain I'm using.

The process is simple enough, but you have no time to dilly dally between applications of the pre-stain and the stain itself.
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The wood conditioner is applied by brush, then rubbed with a clean rag 15 minutes later.

I was OK with the rag bit, it was just the clean part that had me stumped...so I cut up one of the wife's sheets figuring that she would have that fairly clean.

You have a maximum of 2 hours to get the stain on after the conditioner is applied. I made it OK.

This is the unwiped red mahogany stain on the still-damp conditioned wood.

And yes, there was a noticeable difference between conditioned and not conditioned wood. While I don't know for sure, I suspect that it may have something to do with the glue which is used to manufacture this plywood.

The surface veneers are so thin that they cannot prevent penetration of the glue to the surface.
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Minwax would like you to use two applications of stain, doubtless so you can buy twice as much and thus enhancing their bottom line.

However, I found that if you apply the stain on the conditioned wood while it is still very fresh, then leave the stain for 30-40 minutes before wiping off - instead of 10 minutes - the effect seems similar to the two coat process.

In any event, it worked for me.
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All this staining malarkey took place between gluing up more strips of cedar on to the handrail.

I am at 6 rows of cedar on now, and the railing has got extremely stiff. To the point where I am not the least bit concerned about the strength of the rail, but now only concerned about getting the most comfortable width as a hand hold.

It will have at least two more full rows.
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Just finished the 3rd coat of varathane on the kitchen wall. I'll see what it looks like when it is dry. It might not need any more...one more chore done!
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Looks GREEEEAAAT Coco!! As usual!
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another trick to stop wood from migrating is to rub pieces of large grit sandpaper together over top of the glued pieces near your clamp locations.
once you set a clamp, the bits of material that fell off the sandpapeer will bite into each piece and hold them in place.
might not work for the handrail since once piece is already vertical, but if you 'gritted' the loose piece and then clamped them it might be okay.
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another trick to stop wood from migrating is to rub pieces of large grit sandpaper together over top of the glued pieces near your clamp locations.
once you set a clamp, the bits of material that fell off the sandpapeer will bite into each piece and hold them in place.
might not work for the handrail since once piece is already vertical, but if you 'gritted' the loose piece and then clamped them it might be okay.
You're right, that just might work OK.

And another I just recalled is to cut off the head of a very tiny nail or tack and drive one end into one piece of the wood. When you place the other on top, it bites into the cut end of the nail or tack.

That way, you would have to make sure you were right on the money before you pushed the two boards together hard.
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Looks GREEEEAAAT Coco!! As usual!
Thanks Tracy.
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Half a loaf may be better than none...but half a clamp is useless.

A couple of years ago I bought several dozen of the common 2" spring clamps. The first time I used them, it was a very cold day. Several of them broke. I put it down to the plastic not being compatible with the cold temperature.

A few minutes ago, when I was gluing another row of cedar on to the hand rail, this one blew apart. It's quite violent when it happens. I cannot find the other half or the spring yet.
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The Place looks so break taking ! It looks like the places you would see in better homes and garden or something. You are truly a master of your craft. I was wondering... I heard of loggers that would find old lumber at the bottom of lakes or the Chesapeake and make thousands off of them because of the preservation method... have you come across any of these ancient pieces of lumber history at all while living there? Dumb question I know but doing all this milling and stuff that your doing wonder if you kicked one up at all in your travels
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Hello Keith,
I just finished reading your story,took me 3 days to get her done.
I am and old carpenter and I must say you are an inspiration.
My favorite is the different colors of wood you do in the laminations.
Also the curves are groovy.
I do admire the life you and the missus are living.
I am living in the Philippines(but will be flying homme to Anza California tomorrow night)been here 1 year waiting for the building business to build up again.
Time to set up my shop and build some cool stuff again.

ps...may need some advice from you.

thanks for your story

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The Place looks so break taking ! It looks like the places you would see in better homes and garden or something. You are truly a master of your craft. I was wondering... I heard of loggers that would find old lumber at the bottom of lakes or the Chesapeake and make thousands off of them because of the preservation method... have you come across any of these ancient pieces of lumber history at all while living there? Dumb question I know but doing all this milling and stuff that your doing wonder if you kicked one up at all in your travels
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Firstly, let me thank you for dropping by.

We don't get a chance to reclaim any submerged logs here as we are on salt water. If there are any down there, the teredos would have had them for lunch a long time ago.

Those that may be in the bigger rivers here might survive, but where the booms are taken into the fresh water (rivers) to the sawmills, they are cut up very quickly.

But here's an interesting note to that.

Many years ago, the astute Japanese used to buy choice cants of lumber from B.C. and then store them in freshwater lakes in Japan. I don't know what became of all this wood, perhaps it is being saved for temple re-construction. In Japan, a number of their temples are rebuilt quite frequently.

I have some information here which goes into great lengths about that, and one temple in particular gets 1/4 of the structure rebuilt every 5 years.

I understand that part of the reason it is done this way is so that the skills of the master temple builders is not lost over time.
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Hello Keith,
I just finished reading your story,took me 3 days to get her done.
I am and old carpenter and I must say you are an inspiration.
My favorite is the different colors of wood you do in the laminations.
Also the curves are groovy.
I do admire the life you and the missus are living.
I am living in the Philippines(but will be flying homme to Anza California tomorrow night)been here 1 year waiting for the building business to build up again.
Time to set up my shop and build some cool stuff again.

ps...may need some advice from you.

thanks for your story

Erik
Hi Erik:

Always good to hear from a fellow carpenter. I hope I managed to get this reply done for you before you take off!

The laminations are done with red and yellow cedar. Sometimes the red has several different colours of its' own and almost doesn't need the yellow. But, I guess since that's what I started with I may as well finish up that way.

I still have a fair stash of yellow from some logs I cut a few years back.

Please check in when you get back to the States and let us know what you're doing.

And thanks for dropping in!

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