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Old 01-04-2010, 07:44 PM   #571
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You are in B.C. and not in Germany where everything is usually obvious enough. - Eh?

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That is very traditional construction in most of the developed world that looks on wood frame a inferior, temporary construction. A few hundred miles NE of there, some donated wood prefab homes were returned since they were not acceptable.

Dorf dude's masonry home is anywhere from 100 to 200 years old and sitting on a foundation that is probably twice as old.

The roof and the wood portions did not last well enough and had to be recovered or replaced. It is attached to a similar structure. The walls were raised somewhat using hollow structural clay tile and were covered with plaster and exterior insulation was applied to keep the masonry mass inside for comfort and economy.

It is a work of art to restore a home economically. If it was rebuilt with wood, you would not be able to re-sell in the future because of the preferences of the people in the area. - Take a look at all the previous postings and photos to understand what is going on.

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I been watching this thread and look good so far and you did nice job with the beam and speaking of the screws what you did used I used them alot in USA and France I know in USA they just came out not too long ago but I just love it they really have good holding power and heck faster than standard lag screws.

I wish I can come over to your place however my working shedule is getting nutty for last couple days { if you heard about some crazy stuff in Paris that is typical but not this time due new year plus full moon that was just about top it all }

Speaking of Mustang you have 302 BOSS engine or other engine in there? my freind allready installed 351 Winsor engine I know pretty tight but pretty insane power.

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coco -

You are in B.C. and not in Germany where everything is usually obvious enough. - Eh?

knighton -

That is very traditional construction in most of the developed world that looks on wood frame a inferior, temporary construction. A few hundred miles NE of there, some donated wood prefab homes were returned since they were not acceptable.

Dorf dude's masonry home is anywhere from 100 to 200 years old and sitting on a foundation that is probably twice as old.

The roof and the wood portions did not last well enough and had to be recovered or replaced. It is attached to a similar structure. The walls were raised somewhat using hollow structural clay tile and were covered with plaster and exterior insulation was applied to keep the masonry mass inside for comfort and economy.

It is a work of art to restore a home economically. If it was rebuilt with wood, you would not be able to re-sell in the future because of the preferences of the people in the area. - Take a look at all the previous postings and photos to understand what is going on.



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I've looked at all the posts and I still had some questions. It's just fascinating to see the images and styles from other parts of the world and the construction materials and methods used. The concepts are so different here than abroad. I think Shu has done a fantastic job and I enjoy reading the progress.

Your comment about the "temporary" structure is certainly true, especially with the methods and materials we use today. I don't necessarily think we need European style structures, but I do think we could do a better job of quality construction using sturdier materials and concentrating on energy efficiency (though not because of the global warming/carbon footprint crap, but simply to save energy/money rather than throwing it away)

I live in a tornado zone and the first homes to be destroyed are the cheaper built homes (mobile homes & pier & beam homes). You don't see as many concrete or steal framed structures destroyed by tornados. If I ever build my own home, I'm staying away from the stick-built method.

I want to live as inexpensively as possible, though ultimately I really don't care that my home is temporary, since I won't be here long anyway.
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"Your comment about the "temporary" structure is certainly true, especially with the methods and materials we use today. I don't necessarily think we need European style structures, but I do think we could do a better job of quality construction using sturdier materials and concentrating on energy efficiency (though not because of the global warming/carbon footprint crap, but simply to save energy/money rather than throwing it away)"

After living here since 1988 I have become convinced that this style of building is by far better than stick frame. You are looking at building better than the "norm" under the right set of filters. There are many better ways that don't really cost more, maybe cheaper, but are different. I'm still thinking of Straw Bale for my shop. That will open some eyes over here because it is against the "Norm". Thanks for following, dorf dude...
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I been watching this thread and look good so far and you did nice job with the beam and speaking of the screws what you did used I used them alot in USA and France I know in USA they just came out not too long ago but I just love it they really have good holding power and heck faster than standard lag screws.

I wish I can come over to your place however my working shedule is getting nutty for last couple days { if you heard about some crazy stuff in Paris that is typical but not this time due new year plus full moon that was just about top it all }

Speaking of Mustang you have 302 BOSS engine or other engine in there? my freind allready installed 351 Winsor engine I know pretty tight but pretty insane power.

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Marc, Not sure about the cazy stuff in Paris going on. You are always welcome to stop by. Just hop on a train to Nurenburg. Make it around March or later, too cold right now. My Mustang has a 289. Not stock but not crazy either. I will post in the automotive section soon. dorf dude...
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After living here since 1988 I have become convinced that this style of building is by far better than stick frame. You are looking at building better than the "norm" under the right set of filters. There are many better ways that don't really cost more, maybe cheaper, but are different. I'm still thinking of Straw Bale for my shop. That will open some eyes over here because it is against the "Norm". Thanks for following, dorf dude...[/quote]


Funny you say that because a friend of mine is wanting to build his entire home out of square bales.
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Funny you say that because a friend of mine is wanting to build his entire home out of square bales.
www.strawbale.com
Best info I have found and bought.
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I got a call this week and the electric firm said they were ready to install my electric service panel. I was shocked! I've only been waiting forever. I guess the Holidays are finally over. Here are a couple pic's, not actually DIY. I'm now on my own hook up. No longer hooked to the neighbor. BTW the house is holding a constant 2C temp even though outside is much colder. I just wish I had heat to find out how the whole thing will work. I have no plans to get back building at this time. I will get ahold of the heating guy but I've got no real faith that they will do anything. I'll post as things go forward. dorf dude...
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Hey Dorf ., Can you confirm this part for me is your main fuse is at 32 amp ?? To other readers here., Keep in your mind the European voltages are diffrent than North America is. Our European voltage is typically 240 volt line to netural and line to line is 400 or 415 volts depending on which grid it come from. But the colour codes is diffrent than what you used to see in USA/Canada is so let me break out the common colours real quick. Brown - line 1 Grey- line 2 Black - line 3 Bleu - Netural Green with yellow stripe - Earth { ground } But one warning here the colours I listed above is not really consant across the Europe and I am allready famuair more than 5 diffrent combations and it can really confuse you if you are not aware with the changes.That colour list above is legit so I will post my second legit colour code we used in France Black - line 1 Red - line 2 Brown - line 3 Bleu - netural Green with yellow stripes = earth However I have few more combations but I will not list it for now unless you want to know then I can post it later. Merci,Marc
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I will take a look and let you know. They bypassed where the meter would normally be. You can see a screw block in the pic. I still have my temporary construction box and it is wired into the new panel. It has a built in meter. It is the black wire coming out of the top and going down the right side. Instead of being outside they moved it in the house. No more long extension cords run across the yard. I will need to run 1 for the shop and exterior light later. I will try and get a pic of the inside of the new service panel so you can see. dorf dude...
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Hey Shu:
A quick reply about the sawmill...as for an alaska mill, I made one for my 36" Husky when we first came here. It does work, but it's a huge amount of effort for every board. Loud, noisy, obnoxious, backbreaking work. You might find with a little looking that you can actually make a very similar mill to what I have. Probably for far less than the cost of a used Lumbermate.

A chap here made one before my time on Ruxton, and while it was cheap enough to make, it had the fatal flaw of moving the log through the mill, instead of the mill through the log.

It's definitely nowhere near the same thing, even though one might think so.

When you break them down into the basics, they are very simple things. The blades currently cost less than $30 each and will cut around 2,200 bd. ft on average, before they either break or are otherwise done.
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I opened up the new electric panel. It has 35 amp main fuses then feeds the box to the main bus bars. It is a 35 amp 3 phase breaker then goes up to where the meter would be, jumper block and then to a 63 amp 3 phase feeding my construction box. Doesn't make sense to have a 63 amp breaker behind a 35. The 63 amp looks either used or at least had been in the tool box for awhile. I'm going to try and work out a schematic on this. dorf dude
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Thanks for the info on saw mills. I don't really need one but would really like to have one. It is one of those super cool toys for big boys. I would also like to have a water jet for cutting metal! Dreams, dreams. I still need a work shop. More plans then time or money. Thanks for the input, dorf dude...
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I am not an electrician, but appears to very well done. - It almost looks like something under the hood of an AMG Mercedes, where everything in clean, neat and identified.

When you open it up, it certainly looks much more obvious than the 200 amp panel I wired for my cabin. - Very neat and obvious and the electrician was not wearing latex gloves and the 63 amp does look a little "ratty", but probably functions well.

I look forward to seeing you crank it up later since it takes a lot to get it to stabilize. It will take a month or two to stabilize. At least, you can begin to start and be active on your own power. With the temperature at 2C with no heat, nothing will freeze inside despite your nasty weather (similar, but a little warmer than ours, but the clear cold days with lots of sun bring the cold for the weather commentators the next day). - The days are getting longer and temps will go up. WE ever see snow melting and ice disappearing at 0 to 10F during the day.

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