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Old 08-24-2008, 04:28 PM   #31
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Thanks for the update.

It looks like you are doing a very thorough restoration and your home will be good for a few more centuries - not like the American or some British temporary "flips" on TV that are sponsored by material retailers.

I appreciate your opinions on the casual American tourist that is leaving shortly. I have been in many similar homes older than yours in Germany and eastern Europe that were very desireable and confortable. At the time, I wished I had been able to stay.

On one photo, I saw a multi-cored cermic or clay block. Where will that fit into your home? I know they have been preferred and used in many homes in Europe as a competitor to lightweight block (Leca, ceranzite, etc.).

I saw your "cousin" Michael Schumacher on TV today from Vallencia, Spain at the Spanish Grand Prix. Apparently, Ferrari sent the jet in to pick him up instead of him flying his own to work from Monaco for the 1/2 million $ per month he gets as a racing consulatant.

I personnally appreciate the photos of what you are finding and how you are rebuilding for the future. - Have you ever been tempted to use the old "gas concrete" (AAC, Ytong, etc.) for any walls? It has been around for 50 years, but never really was sucessful despite the government underwriting and support.

Good going!!!

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Old 08-26-2008, 03:55 PM   #32
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I will be using the multi core clay bricks throughout the build. 4 inch thick on the interior walls and 11 inch thick on the new outside walls. I have looked of the other types you mentioned but they cost quite abit more. I have finished cutting up the old beams today. It is nice to get the work site cleaned up. You have alot more room to do things. I have also poured another foundation pad. While digging we found yet more ancient foundations underneath. We stopped at them and I poured direct on top of them with a plastic vapor barrier and re-bar. If they have been there this long then they should be good for another couple of centuries and be able to support the loads. I will post pic's as things go along. Thanks for the compliments. SHU
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Very interesting to read your posts and see the photos. When you go for your building permits, are you fighting a bureacracy all the time? What are your solar panel plans?

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I had the Architect file the building plans. He knows where to go and who to see. We called again today and they were pretty pissed off that I had called 2 times this week. I guess my plans will go to the bottom of the pile. They said it could take 3-4 months and I can not even start on it until I have the approval. I have figured out why it takes so long. They want you to get itchy and get started and then they will come around and fine you! I can do all ground floor work no problem, just no raising of the outside walls. Today I ordered a huge tarp that will cover the whole thing up. So much for getting closed up by winter. I'm working on alternative plans to get as much done within their limitations. Everything in time.

My solar is 10 square meters of vacuum tube glass collectors. I have them in the barn ready to go, when I have a roof. SHU
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:25 PM   #35
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Could be worse - or maybe they don't like your architect. Your last name should not scare them. I understand you are in a small town/village.

How old do you think the second foundation you just found under your old home is?

I had a friend that moved from one small town in Switzerland to another. He could vote in the national elections right away, but it took a while (a year or two) until the locals gave him permission to vote locally. (this was 10 years ago). This was despite he served in the national guard, went on "maneuvers" every year for a week until he was 52. He was 6'-2", bald and looked like "Colonel Klink" from Hogans Heros when he had his uniform on.

Sometimes national blanket codes and standards are not bad when you run into the locals. - He would never leave Switzerland no matter what the local laws were.

How much did it cost you to get a German drivers license?
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Under the first floor we found a coin from 1920 on top of the next foundation. This place is WAY older than that. We were digging the canal inside for the power line yesterday and were finding what looks to be yet other foundations under the 2nd one. There is also more rubble and black burnt bricks. Results of a fire at some time. I have this link for the home page, in German of course, http://www.seugast.de/ My house is in the picture, barely, with a roof still on it. If you go to Chronik, the village goes back to at least 1123. My place is in the original section of the village. I will try to get more History once I finally move in.
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I have gotten the hole drilled through the 2ft thick sandstone foundation. I needed an SDS extension for my hole saw but nobody had one. I found a 3ft drill bit and punched a hole all the way through and then tried to follow it. I only missed by 1/2" joining the 2 holes up, not to bad. I will order an extension for the next hole I need to drill, the sewer. I must have a straight hole for the plastic pipe to feed through. I also got started with the inside walls, not me actually but my neighbor. He is a retired mason and would not let me do it. I only had a few bricks on hand but this gives the door locations. My camera seems to be having problems with bright lighting. Many of my pic's are very washed out. More to come, SHU
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I have been watching the progress you have been making, and I am impressed! I have not made any posts here until now, I have been on the sidelines, admiring your work. If you have positive thoughts, there's nothing you can not accomplish! As a hobby, I am into archaeology, so sometime, you might want to do some sifting of the grounds, to see what history is buried. I have been doing the same for my place, and keep the stuff (items) in the "house" museum. Right now, I can see you really have your hands full. Keep up the great work, and I look forward to seeing more of your photos, and progress.

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Today I had some help from the "Dorf Dudes" That is the name we have chosen for working on this house. The main beam is in. It was 2 pieces because of the length. We put an overlapping cut and Gorilla glued and lag bolted it together. It is also lag bolted to top of the wall. Now all the rest of my 2nd floor beams can be set referenced to it for level. All I have to do is either shim or trim until they are at the same height. I also passed with my trench for the electric company! That was a major concern because I was not exactly deep enough because of the hole in the foundation. He was smart to realize I had no other option. I will have my electric box in my bedroom and not in the hallway. He could not understand it. I asked him if it was forbidin and it is not, but nobody puts their electric panel in the bedroom. I just don't want to see it everytime I come in the house. They are ugly. I now can back fill my trench and get started on my drain for the kitchen. Here are a few pics from today, I hope you enjoy. The Fire Dept was training some young volunteers in one of the pics. Also is the recycling containers across the street. SHU, Dorf Dude.
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Today I got some of the floors filled with gravel, power pipe buried and cemented in, kitchen drain pipe set in the wall, started putting up the entry/bathroom wall. My first attempt at brick work. It is a learning process but I'm picking it up. I poured cement on top of my bedroom wall the other day and it rained soon after. It left a gravel surface but is still looking strong, I put rebar in also. Another big beam will rest on top of it like the other wall. I hope to have it up this week. Then it will be getting to ceiling beams set and leveled. I will need help for that. I'm still waiting for my building permit to raise the side walls. Enjoy the pics, Dorf Dude, SHU
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I bet it feels real good to get the gravel floor in and smoothed out. I would guess that you are starting to get excited that the whole project really will come together. I can see it's going to turn out lovely.

Where are the stairs going to go? Will they be a straight rise? It doesn't look like you have a lot of room to create a more gentle angle.

When you are finished what will be left of the original house? It looks like parts of the original foundations, the shell of walls, some of the original beams that are still good in good condition, maybe the old door anything else? That should be enough to help keep the old character of the place. I'm glad you're adjusting some of the inside walls to open the house up a bit. Some of the old houses with small rooms, and small doors can feel so closed in.

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Momb here, Scott:

Way to go on all that remodeling . Thanks for finding this neat way to show the progress on your venture/adventure. What does the neighbor think with you making such dust and commotion when the houses are attached? Is he not fearful you'll come through to his side? When you said you were right by the road boy did you mean right by the road. I looked at the map and google earth. It is a wonder the vehicles aren't spraying gravel and dust onto/into your house. I'll have to figure a way to save the pics as I have with the others. MrsBear246 forwarded this to me. I am a Taurus also. No wonder I liked you the first time I met you. DadB is looking over my shoulder at all the pics. Whew!! is all we can say. Being a chip off the ole block I know you can complete the remodel. No wonder you haven't called lately. The satisfaction of a job incredibly done will be worth it all. You show 'em son. I'll keep checking back.... and you keep in touch ya' hear.

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Hi SHU great thread man I've been Lurking for a few weeks now and signed on to get a look at your pic's.
I'm really impressed man and more power to you.I live about 300 miles to the west of you on the border to Luxembourg.I'm a time served Carpenter originally from the UK.As you say it's a different way of building.I've worked on quite a few projects similar to yours and I wouldn't let the nay sayer's get you down usually they don't know a lot about building anyway.
I've got a 1000 and 1 questions for you and may be a few tips that might save you a bit of work down the line but that's up to you.
On pulling permits (Bau genehmigung) I've found that no one country has a monopoly on bureaucracy and it will probably take the time they are talking about.I know thats a real bummer but keep the faith.
Use the time to get as much done that is allowed and check on you supliers that alone can save you $$$ down the line.
All the best and good luck with the project and permits Billy.

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Thanks for the responses. I will have about 2 1/2 ft to stretch out the stairs. That will help quite abit. They will go to just before the bedroom door. Billyd you can personel message me with your questions to keep this thread on track. I'm always open for new ideas and ways to save$$. What will be left of the original house is just the outside walls, front door, just because it has that old charm about it and 2 inside walls. Today I got a notice that I have registered letter to sign for at the Post Office. I asked my ex if she started anything and she didn't, so with fingers crossed it might be my building permit! I have gotten the main water line into the house moved to the bathroom, the kitchen and chiminey drains joined and almost finished. They are sitting in a bed of sand. My freind and I got the 2 halfs of the 2nd main beam up onto the 2nd floor, 1 is temp set in place to check the height. Using a water hose level from the first beam the 2nd is 7.5cm, 3 inches low. I will rip a board 7.5cm for a form wall and pour more concrete with re-bar tomorrow. This time I will cover it in case of rain. As it worked out the first pour now has a great surface to join with the second. As always from the Dorf Dude, I hope you enjoy and stay tuned.
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Today I got the top of the wall poured level with the other one, I hope! It will be really close. I received my building permit today. I now can start putting up the walls. I first must finish the beams, then I can begin that. Here are a couple pic's. My helper is Steve, he is one of the Dorf Dude's. Now he is famous! We had to bring the concrete in buckets up the ladder and hand pour. There is also a pic of the overlaping joint of the beam, hand cut for accuracy. Unexpectidly this evening the roof beam guy showed up to take a look around, right on time. Unfortunately I have put my chiminey 4 inches accross the center line. I measured from a different point. Very crooked house. He was telling me I have to tear it out and re-set it. I said no way, shift the roof a little bit, the house is so out of square anyway. He was upset that it would not be perfect. It's my money, make it slightly shifted to one side, everything else is so out of wack who cares. His pride will fall before I rip out all my work for 4 inches off center for the main header beam. I can live with it, nobody else has to. Next is set the big beam on the wall after a few days drying time for the concrete. Then trim and set the remainder 2nd floor beams in level. I will post pics as things go along, Thanks for following along, Should have 1600 hits in the next day or so. I didn't think this would take off like this. From the Dorf of Seugast!
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