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Old 08-04-2009, 12:21 AM   #391
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I think you are wise on that part that 400 is worth it so you can let those guys do it right from first shot AKA first pour and they know what they doing just like myself I know what I can do and what not.

Hope it will come out good where you want it.

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Old 08-04-2009, 03:19 PM   #392
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Dorf Dude -

Before you have the concrete poured, make sure you have the option to turn off one of the parallel loops of tubing.

You may find that the quick response is not needed since you have a stable, home with a lot of mass and "thermal inertia" that is nothing like the lightweight, "pink panther" construction you may see in the U.S. and Canada, but is not that common in the rest of the developed world.

I had a 1800 sf masonry lake home (brick, 2" extruded foam, and 8" lightweight block in northern Minnesota, where the winter temps frequently got down to -20F (rarely -40F). It also had vaulted ceilings. I used it year round on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and left early Monday morning. When I left in the winter, I would set the thermostat down to 40F. When I came back early Friday evening, I would turn the thermostat up to 75 to kick on the little 35,000 BTU furnace, start a fire in the massive fireplace to take off the chill before going out for the night. When I got back, the air would be warm, but the structure still was cool. The furnace would run all weekend and shut off on Sunday before I left the next morning. My fireplace was still warm. There was one drawback - one weekend it was 35F on Friday when I got there before a blizzard (22" of snow) and the temperature went down to about-20F after the storm. Since I had all the food, computer and TV I needed, so I looked at the snow. I never went out until Monday morning when I tried to get out and my driveway was blocked with drifts and I had to wait until Tuesday when my friend plowed me out. I had no real idea or feel for the weather or the danger it can pose. The benfit was that when the summer teperatures got over 90F, I could always close the windows and avoid air conditioning after a day of fishing.

The next year, I experimented and set the thermostat at 65F at all times during the unoccupied time and the annual heating bill was less than $30 more (LP gas), but I had a comfortable, warm place to walk into at any time.

If I made the mistake of using the fireplace when the home was warm, I frequently had to open 1 or 2 sliding doors at 0F or 20F during a snow storm to keep the heat down inside. The house was tight and I had a fresh air intake and a 3 speed fan that was thermostatically controlled.

There is no computer program around that can accurately predict the energy requirement for a heavy structure that is subjected to variable conditions.

You do not have the severe temperature conditions that I did, but your home is more massive in comparison to what I had, so the fast recovery may not be necessary and you could be surprised when the seasons change and you have to open the windows. If you can have the option of shutting off the spare loop in the floor and use it as a back-up, it might be good, especially since you will be burning wood and have a heavy heat source/boiler. Burn steady and save the energy in the structure and enjoy the comfort. - Just a thought that might apply to your situation.

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Old 08-04-2009, 03:32 PM   #393
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Dorf Dude -

Before you have the concrete poured, make sure you have the option to turn off one of the parallel loops of tubing.

You may find that the quick response is not needed since you have a stable, home with a lot of mass and "thermal inertia" that is nothing like the lightweight, "pink panther" construction you may see in the U.S. and Canada, but is not that common in the rest of the developed world.

I had a 1800 sf masonry lake home (brick, 2" extruded foam, and 8" lightweight block in northern Minnesota, where the winter temps frequently got down to -20F (rarely -40F). It also had vaulted ceilings. I used it year round on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and left early Monday morning. When I left in the winter, I would set the thermostat down to 40F. Whenhanks for u I came back early Friday evening, I would turn the thermostat up to 75 to kick on the little 35,000 BTU furnace, start a fire in the massive fireplace to take off the chill before going out for the night. When I got back, the air would be warm, but the structure still was cool. The furnace would run all weekend and shut off on Sunday before I left the next morning. My fireplace was still warm. There was one drawback - one weekend it was 35F on Friday when I got there before a blizzard (22" of snow) and the temperature went down to about-20F after the storm. Since I had all the food, computer and TV I needed, so I looked at the snow. I never went out until Monday morning when I tried to get out and my driveway was blocked with drifts and I had to wait until Tuesday when my friend plowed me out. I had no real idea or feel for the weather or the danger it can pose. The benfit was that when the summer teperatures got over 90F, I could always close the windows and avoid air conditioning after a day of fishing.

The next year, I experimented and set the thermostat at 65F at all times during the unoccupied time and the annual heating bill was less than $30 more (LP gas), but I had a comfortable, warm place to walk into at any time.

If I made the mistake of using the fireplace when the home was warm, I frequently had to open 1 or 2 sliding doors at 0F or 20F during a snow storm to keep the heat down inside. The house was tight and I had a fresh air intake and a 3 speed fan that was thermostatically controlled.

There is no computer program around that can accurately predict the energy requirement for a heavy structure that is subjected to variable conditions.

You do not have the severe temperature conditions that I did, but your home is more massive in comparison to what I had, so the fast recovery may not be necessary and you could be surprised when the seasons change and you have to open the windows. If you can have the option of shutting off the spare loop in the floor and use it as a back-up, it might be good, especially since you will be burning wood and have a heavy heat source/boiler. Burn steady and save the energy in the structure and enjoy the comfort. - Just a thought that might apply to your situation.

The other Schu.

Thanks for you inisghts. I will fugure out how the structure works with my heat as time comes. It is like a living thing. Feed it and see what happens, dorf dude...
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Old 08-04-2009, 04:13 PM   #394
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Just an opinion from a stubborn German/Luxembourger that is just by my experience and climate.

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Dorf Dude, all the concrete for the floor is in...and no photos..?? You are like trying to have the dog catch his tail! Sorry, understand the 'situation"...now!
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Just a suggestion. Dorf Dude may still be able to connect the ends to give him the flexibility for options for the future because you never know until you live in a similar structure.
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Old 08-05-2009, 11:11 PM   #397
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The floor will get poured the week of the 17th. The construction firm is going on vacation all of next week, only in Germany. I have been battling the bees the last week. I think I finally won. Yesterday I gave them a spry of chemicals and then parked my lawn mower on top of the nest. That really woke them up! It was cool to watch them buzz around then get sucked up and mulched . After 20 minutes it was pretty much over. I will post pics of things but I have been taking it easy this week. I have been burned out. From the dorf....
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Yesterday I went with my neighbor on a 9 hour road trip and got my wood gasifier furnace. It is in awsome condition. This isn't your normal wood burning stove. It is a furnace. http://www.unical-deutschland.de/gasogen-g3.html The guy I bought it from is a DIY'r and took very meticulous care of his equipment. I have all the paper work to go with it. Total cost was about $600 including the round trip. E-bay can be good. Sorry but the only photo is wrapped up in the trailer. I normally get 41mpg with my car, empty trailer going was 31mpg, return with the furnace 25mpg, with the AC on.
I started with my stucco. So many people have told me that I must have a crew or a firm to do this. My walls must be perfect ect... I knocked out a small section as a trial and ALL the experts can just k!ss my butt. It is up and looks fine to me. It is a random design, who can say what is right or wrong with it. I even put tape around the window and then removed it to get a frame effect. It will go really easy with one person mixing and one putting it up. I will not pay to have this done. Time will tell if it will hold but I feel confident. Here are some pic's, dorf dude...
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Shu, ..never mind what they say..it is you...and you are the .."doer"..so press on.."Dorf Dude"!
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Shu -

It looks great and will fit in perfectly for a few hundred more years and make the neighbors happy! They are probably slow to accept, but some beer for a neigbor party will do wonders, unless you already "greased" things in advance.

You are coming down the home stretch on the exterior and interior finishing will be coming.

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I have been battling a wasp nest in the ground now for awhile. I spray them and for that day they are gone, the next day they are back. Today I finally figured out what is going on. They have a main hive on the neighbors property. They were flying in pupa's, babys, larva what ever they are called, and were trying to rebuild. I shot them with the very last bit of foam my can had and plastered the hole shut. I hope this will end it. I got rained out this evening from working on the wall. I hope progress pic's tomorrow. dorf dude...
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Tonight Matt came over and wanted to do something. I showed him the bee nest I've been battling. Bring on the gas! We poured about 1/2 cup down the hole and waited about a minute then lit it, safely of course, ka-boof. We waited about 20 minutes and they were back. I ran the lawn mower for awhile over them, they still were around. Time for round 2 with the gasoline. This time a little more than the first time. We let it soak and lit it but no ka-boof. It had soaked in. Matt grabbed the shovel and let some air in, KA-BOOF!! That did it! He opened it up and man it was huge! I don't think they are coming back. We put the nest pieces in the hole and lit them up to kill everything. Don't attempt this technique if you don't have a least some common sense on handling gasoline. Remove it far away from what your doing and use small amounts. House pi'c will follow this weekend, i've been busy. dorf dude...
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Dorf Dude, you have to send those photos to National Geographic! Your method was so reminiscent of the way "we' did it,..but you have to wonder how big the "parent' nest is...but you have a season called winter...so all will be good! Now on with the show!
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The back wall has been stuccoed! Steve came over a few times and gave me a big hand. He is better off left doing the mixing! He got the side wall primed yesterday while I worked on finishing out the windows. I will order paint next week, dark grey with steel blue for the windows. The owner of the construction firm next door mentioned to my buddy that if I were to ask them to do my wall they would decline. My walls are too uneven and their reputation would be at stake. How "German" is that? They will see, it will turn out just fine and last 40 years! Here are a coouple pic's. dorf dude...
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Dorf Dude -

You worked outside on sunday where people could see you do that? I know it is not a law but seems to be an unwritten situation.

My wife grew up in a Pennsylvania that was very heavy on German traditions. Her mother knew better than to hang out laundry on a Sunday.

In northern Michigan, it was local custom and the same thing could happen there, although it not a strong German community, but many Poles. You could go out for drink though. Running a snowblower was fine because it was a sport to see how fast you could get yours clean and then start on someone elses.

I am not surprised your contractor would criticise an DIYer. That happens everywhere He also probably did not want a neighbor to apply for work for him.

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