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Old 07-30-2009, 04:32 PM   #376
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Looking great!!!

You are certainly doing it the local high-tech fashion in a very old structure.

Single or double loop system (extra loop if there is a future problem)?

The application looks familiar to others I have seen. Some even go to coarse uncrushed lightweight aggregate (ceramzit) if it is locally available, but your base is certainly more than enough.

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Old 07-30-2009, 04:39 PM   #377
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I have 600 meters of tubing so I think a double tube would be smart. Better safe. Thanks for your input Herr Schu, the other shu, dorf dude...
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Dorf Dude, would love to see pics of the "pour people", so show lots and wish them my heartiest wishes, since this time I can sit on computer...watch the work...and have cold beers...while the work is going on! Cheers
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Dorf dude -

If you are taking photos take one of the type of truck used. The Germans are the best in the world in concrete technology, but the method of delivery and trucks can vary depending on the locality. Based on your location. they could be very conventional, but you never know. If there is race track (1.5 miles or linger) they might be racing them.

I went to a truck race in Germany about 10 years ago and expected pick-up trucks and all there was were a massive amount of semi tractors - Volvo, Kenworth, Mann and many Mercedes powered heavy haulers. If it has wheels, they will race it.

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Dorf dude -

If you are taking photos take one of the type of truck used. The Germans are the best in the world in concrete technology, but the method of delivery and trucks can vary depending on the locality. Based on your location. they could be very conventional, but you never know. If there is race track (1.5 miles or linger) they might be racing them.

I went to a truck race in Germany about 10 years ago and expected pick-up trucks and all there was were a massive amount of semi tractors - Volvo, Kenworth, Mann and many Mercedes powered heavy haulers. If it has wheels, they will race it.

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Yeah very common and I do go to the truck races pretty often when I am living in France and I did drove one of the racing truck I will tell ya it is eye opener experance!!!

They still have the truck racing in Europe.

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french electrician -

You write exactly like my good friend, DDA (actually Didier) sounds when he talks. It is refreshing to read it.

For about $15, you can get onto the Nurbergring (sp?) - not to be confused with Nuremberg - it is northwest of Frankfurt, toward Belgium and you can take almost any vehicle you want on the shortened track (now only 3.5 miles long) to do anything you want to do. You will find motorcycles, buses, cars, trucks, lawn mowers doing whatever they want with no speed limit. It is limited to certain days of the week because manufacturers and police/highway people use it for testing. - It is up and down and looks of corners (left and right) and good scenery that you normally have time to look at.

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Yes you got the spelling correct I keep the Germany map with me and yes they still do the race at Nurbergring almost anything goes even once a while I know one guy have balls to bring old steam tractor and yeah Lanz tractors as well. ( super loud big single cylinder tractors )

They have open season IIRC twice a week unless the manufacter or LEO { Law Enforcement Officers } have training that time they will let you know in advance but not always the case.

I was former member of Unlimted tractor puller so I have quite few expernice with it but I will save that story for other time so I don't steal this topic in here.


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Today Steve and my son Daniel gave me a hand. Steve worked the roll of tubing, Daniel set tie wraps and I set the tube. Tie wrapping got boring for Daniel after about an hour so I ended up doing that too. I created 2 zones, kitchen/livingroom and hallway/bedroom. I layed a backup tube next to the first just in case of problems. It will also give me a faster warmup time with twice the footage, at least I think so. Steve posed for his hose picture. I was suprised that we were done in about 4 hours. That hose is very stiff and difficult to work with. The weather is very hot for here so we stopped when the tubing was in. Didn't feel like starting another project, Daniel was bored also. I've been so exhaused over the last couple weeks I fell asleep sitting at my computer last night. Here are some pic's, dorf dude...
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Today Steve and my son Daniel gave me a hand. Steve worked the roll of tubing, Daniel set tie wraps and I set the tube. Tie wrapping got boring for Daniel after about an hour so I ended up doing that too. I created 2 zones, kitchen/livingroom and hallway/bedroom. I layed a backup tube next to the first just in case of problems. It will also give me a faster warmup time with twice the footage, at least I think so. Steve posed for his hose picture. I was suprised that we were done in about 4 hours. That hose is very stiff and difficult to work with. The weather is very hot for here so we stopped when the tubing was in. Didn't feel like starting another project, Daniel was bored also. I've been so exhaused over the last couple weeks I fell asleep sitting at my computer last night. Here are some pic's, dorf dude...

I have a question to ask you are you heating with gaz or wood boiler ? I don't know if I did catch it from being but I know you have " pellet " wood stove there.

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I will have a 1000 liter heat exchange tank. It has an electric heating element, the pellet stove, http://www.rika.at/en/water_heating_stove/ will feed it along with the solar panels. I will also tie in a wood burner in the future. It will be upstairs or out in the shop. Heat should be no problem. dorf dude...
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Being Sunday I sat and checked out Ebay. I had Central heaters on the brain. I won a 17 year old wood gas burner with an oil conversion added to it, 20kw heating capacity, should fit the bill perfectly and it was 389

Euro, about $500. I really hit a score if it checks out.
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Being Sunday I sat and checked out Ebay. I had Central heaters on the brain. I won a 17 year old wood gas burner with an oil conversion added to it, 20kw heating capacity, should fit the bill perfectly and it was 389

Euro, about $500. I really hit a score if it checks out.
For 389 that is not bad deal however I really suggest have that boiler do the pressure test to make sure you don't have any leak in the unit.

The other thing is check the burner nozzle for firing rate I know when that boiler was oringally gaz fired and converted to oil some case someone will install larger nozzle than it should be.

I have 30 gallons { 114 liter } oil fired waterheater and I have to undersized the burner gun a little due it was more than I need and it did not even ran out of hot water at all it just keep up with the demand.
{ oringally have 1 GPH {3.8LPH} then downsized to .75GPH {2.85LPH} nozzle and it came out perfect for me }

And yeah the other thing those wood fired boilers they can be pretty hevey I know one simauir to what you have on the picture but little bigger than that. that one weight in little over 850KG so expect to be little hevey espcally with cast iron shell but stamped steel maybe about 500KG or so.

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I was planning on having it pressure tested. I will not put it in service until next year at the earliest. I'm just planning ahead for when I have my shop. As for the oil heating I do not have any initial plans to running it other than with wood. I have some alternate ideas kicking around in my head. Thanks, dorf dude...
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The cement pour for this weekend has not come together. Too many variables that do not line up. I contacted the construction firm next door about pouring it for me. It will only cost about 400 Euro more including 19% tax for them to do it. I wash my hands of this project! I can relax a little. I am exhausted with all this work lately. I will have time this weekend to pickup my new wood gasification oven. From the dorf....
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Hey DD good call in my opinion bringing in the Pro's. Sometimes it's good to hand off some of a project and just sit back and watch other people work. Even though your paying for it.

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