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Old 02-07-2012, 10:28 PM   #2041
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I think a large part of the difference is that the German house has a lot of thermal inertia or thermal mass and can maintain the interior heat (irrespective of "R-values") during the cold hours (night) and recover and store more during the warmer hours (day). That concept gets more heat out of a system over a few day/week cycle.

Large windows actually become holes in a wall in the evening due to radiant heat exiting and all the panes of glass and argon do not have as much effect in the evening as light curtain to eliminate radiant heat loss, so less heat is lost. Dorf Dude has very good and superior European style windows, but the glass is always a problem and the shutters do wonders.

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Yes that very true. I'm well aware of how the windows function...the wife keeps promising to make some insulated curtains...promises, promises...but they haven't materialized yet.

I did triple glaze the windows facing north in the breakfast nook, all 21 of them, but it's impossible to break even on north facing windows, it's a guaranteed loss situation. The only benefit is the view.

As for the thermal mass, that's the ideal way to avoid big temperature swings. Not too hot in summer and not too cool in winter. All we have here for that is the terra cotta tile. Not much, I know, but it's better than nothing. And I have noticed a slight difference in the comfort level since it was installed.
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:32 AM   #2043
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How about a warm stone on the floor for Mia or does she appreciate the cooler comforts?

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Mia has discovered that the warmest place is at the entry way in front of the stairs. That is where all the radiant tubes gather before they go into the bathroom to the heating system. With her hanging out there it looks like she wants to go outside but she doesn't. Being a Blue Heeler she will "Tell" me when it is time to go. dorf dude...
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Here is Mia's preferred sleeping spot. I've burned 1 ton of pellets so far this year. Not bad actually. Yesterday I stopped and ordered another ton. Today I came home and it was delivered exactly where I wanted! . I didn't have to lift or move 1 bag. 100% delivered. I left the wheel barrows out and they did all the moving. That's service. If I keep burning the cr@p wood then this should last until mid April I hope. Here's a couple pic's. dorf dude...
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One thing about those pellets is there's no mess to clean up. And the pellets are always dry making lots of heat.

One ton really isn't much compared to burning regular firewood...I bet we get through at least that much every month.

How many square feet in your place again Shu? Thanks.
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One thing about those pellets is there's no mess to clean up. And the pellets are always dry making lots of heat.

One ton really isn't much compared to burning regular firewood...I bet we get through at least that much every month.

How many square feet in your place again Shu? Thanks.
I have around 1600 square feet. I still have a huge cold bridge with the neighbors house too. My front door leaks like a sieve but that actually warms up the mud room and keeps my beer from freezing. dorf dude...
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One thing about the Germans and their pride is that they seem to do things right and neatly, even when it comes to delivering pellets.

The mud room sure seems to work. No need for extra insulation, heat and power to keep the beer at a proper cool (not cold) temperature. The season for the "white" beer is coming, but I don't remember the details of keeping eveything the right temperature and avoiding the settling of particles.

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I have around 1600 square feet. I still have a huge cold bridge with the neighbors house too. My front door leaks like a sieve but that actually warms up the mud room and keeps my beer from freezing. dorf dude...
Right...I forgot about that wall. Maybe it isn't that bad though, at least if they keep their place warm.

The 1600 square feet would be for both floors I take it?
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Right...I forgot about that wall. Maybe it isn't that bad though, at least if they keep their place warm.

The 1600 square feet would be for both floors I take it?
I am heating the neighbors house, he doesn't use those rooms. Yes the 1600 sq ft includes upstairs, which is wide open at this time. I have 2 weeks leave to use or loose very soon so get ready for some progress again.
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I am heating the neighbors house, he doesn't use those rooms. Yes the 1600 sq ft includes upstairs, which is wide open at this time. I have 2 weeks leave to use or loose very soon so get ready for some progress again.
Maybe you should give him a bill for the heating...

Any plans in the works to get something like foamboard in there so you don't lose all that heat?
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I put in for vacation today. I ordered a hand rail for the staircase. Cost twice as much as the stairs, crazy but that's how it goes. Plans for the break call for finish the kitchen counter top, frame in the upstairs windows, get some blinds for the street side windows. Maybe a window ledge in the bedroom, if I can find some rocks in the snow. Winter is really set in here. Pic's of course as I get going. dorf dude...
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Want to point out to everyone that -40 C = -40 F.

Tell us about the rolling window shutters, costs, etc. I assume you have them on your windows. Options-insulated pvc, etc.
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Want to point out to everyone that -40 C = -40 F.

Tell us about the rolling window shutters, costs, etc. I assume you have them on your windows. Options-insulated pvc, etc.
I can't break out the cost of the shutters, it was a package price. They are pvc, non insulated. I was under extreme budget limitations when I ordered them. I went for the best I could with what I could afford. I've built this place on a shoe string budget doing everything I could myself. For example my window ledges are just rocks that I dug up in my yard, cost $0. Savings $ BIG. Outside window ledges are from Styrofoam. Huge insulation value, cost next to nothing. Not normally done here. Savings $ Big. I just did it because that's what I had and it made sense. Stay tuned for more. Wait until you you see my kitchen counter tops, might just surprise you. dorf dude...
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Nothing really wrong with pvc shutters and maybe better than steel. They are not meant to insulate since you have good windows and the shutters radically cut down on the noise do an even better job on eliminating the radiant heat loss. No glass window can really stop radiant heat loss. The shutter control tapes seem the be done well. The shutters are also a nice modern item that fits into the traditional appearance.

Don't tell me you are going to have paw prints in concrete counter tops.

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Nothing really wrong with pvc shutters and maybe better than steel. They are not meant to insulate since you have good windows and the shutters radically cut down on the noise do an even better job on eliminating the radiant heat loss. No glass window can really stop radiant heat loss. The shutter control tapes seem the be done well. The shutters are also a nice modern item that fits into the traditional appearance.

Don't tell me you are going to have paw prints in concrete counter tops.

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No Dick, Mia isn't allowed in the Kitchen area. We had -7F last night. It's finally going to warm up this week, about time. This Siberian cold front has stayed long past it's welcome. I'm not letting the cat out of the hat with what I have in store. You'll have to wait. dorf dude...

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