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Old 04-28-2012, 09:57 PM   #16
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ah, found the code reference, M1502 says install per manufacturer directions but if no instructions are given, then use 3' clearance. my installation just says keep it 12" off the ground. does that count as 'manufacturer instructions'? looks like it could be open to interpretation.

i have means to move it if necessary but unless the inspector says something, i'm going to let it lay. window i am removing is within 3' of the vent and this house is only 10 years old. has this 3' rule been in effect for more than 10 years? i would think so. and if it is an issue, i suppose i could argue that i am not venting any combustion gases.

edit: and in regards to bathroom vents (which is what the other vent is), all i gather from the code is to not vent it onto public sidewalks. i should have no problem with that one.

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Old 04-30-2012, 09:57 AM   #18
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thanks! i actually have a lot more done than described, just haven't had time to post the photos. pretty well caught up though.

as a teaser, i got up at 5:30 this morning to haul 2000 lbs of concrete to the gravel pit and got back in time to make a normal start at work.
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:57 PM   #19
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At least your project looks well thought out and organised,which makes for a good read,pictures where are the dam pictures
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the big day: concrete cutting!

this was actually this last thursday. i had some work commitments so couldn't stay for most of the day. the father-in-law came down early. he was going to help put the window in after the concrete guys left but he came down in the morning just out of curiosity but also to keep an eye on things (it was, after all, a by the hour gig).

guys showed up at about 8:15 in the morning. i stuck around to watch them get started. first thing first was to get that excess foundation concrete slag out of the hole. junior guy jumped in and got to it with the jackhammer. it wasn't going well since he couldn't get a good angle and it was hollow under the piece (it slid down into the hole). have fun, i'm off to my office!

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my wife snapped a couple pics when they were sawing on the inside. the basement smoke detector went off and it looked like the house was on fire! we sort of lucked out in that there was a stiff breeze from the opposite side of the house. they opened the garage door as well as the manway door at the bottom of the stairs in the garage. made for an awesome chimney effect and sucked most of the dust right out the window.

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notice the extra dirt pile around the hole. there was some cave ins from all the jack hammering on the old foundation concrete.

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i stopped home at lunch to check the progress. old foundation slag was out of the hole and they had gotten to work on the wall.

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and a view from the inside (go sooners!)

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the old window frame in shambles

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Old 04-30-2012, 09:11 PM   #21
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pretty good pile at lunch time

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i got home about 2:45 and the guys were putting the finishing touches on the cutout. man, did they look beat.

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now that's a hole!

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and that's a massive pile of concrete!!!

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damage came to $550 which i didn't think was too bad considering the guys had to deal with that extra wad of concrete and my what-i-suspected-to-be-too-small-a-hole-and-confirmed-by-them digging job. plus all the concrete was busted up for me to cart away (other guys wanted an extra couple hundred bucks to bust it up and haul it away). father-in-law ended helping them out with some digging and throwing concrete out of the whole. he just can't resist getting involved with projects and by his estimate, saved them about three hours. good deal!

so with the hole cut, it was off to menards to get supplies for framing in the window.
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for the window framing, decided to go with 2x10s for everything: bottom sill, king stud, double jack studs and a four-wide header. checking the irc loading charts, i think i could have gotten by with a three-wide header but for an extra few bucks and no depth concerns, i went with four.

cleaned the concrete off with the vacuum and first put down a double strip of silicone caulk, followed by sill gasket and then another double set of caulk on top of that.

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built up header under construction. went with the built up rather than assembling a solid one on the ground due to subtle differences in the concrete cut. note the lack of a bottom plate on the header. i had planned for one and measured everything multiple time but damn if i wasn't an inch off. not 1.5" but an inch. wtf? double-checked the measurements with the header and the window would fit without the need to put in that 1" gap. yet another gaffe on the project but nothing too bad.

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shot from the outside, before the second jack stud is installed. note the shadows, it is getting late. notice the small setback between the header and the jack stud. this was done so the jack could be flush with the exterior concrete wall and the header could be more centered under the existing sill plate (plate didn't quite come out to the face of the concrete). that will be filled with a piece of 1/2" plywood later on.

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and the final prep work, complete with some half-assed housewrap. probably didn't need it but father-in-law had some scrap lying around so what the hell...

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final shot of the window before it heads home

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and a shot of it installed!

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sorry i couldn't get more pics of the install. the wife needed to help steady the window as we lowered it into the hole. the window flexed quite a bit since it was so long but we got her in there. about 1/8" to spare on either side but a good 1/2" clearance on the top and bottom.
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Looks good and I bet they were tired from hanging onto that cut-off saw.
I'm spoiled because I have a friend who has a track saw .
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Looks good and I bet they were tired from hanging onto that cut-off saw.
I'm spoiled because I have a friend who has a track saw .
when i first started talking about the project, father-in-law said we could rent a saw and cut it out ourselves. he said he has done it before. dude has built both his houses as well as gut-rehabbed another so he is no novice when it comes to construction. my dad highly recommended getting a pro to do it. he pointed me to some videos online and man, it looked like ugly work. plus all the guys were your typical giant contractor dudes while i am a stick man (mom makes fun of my 'grover arms'). i still had faith in the father-in-law's confidence but then i found out the sawing he did was on a driveway using a walk-behind machine. well, a walk-behind machine on the horizontal is way different than a hand machine on the vertical.

after all the work was done, he was glad i went with the pros, especially after the guy dry-cutting on the inside came out and looked like a powdered donut.

the wall saw looked really slick but was cost prohibitive. cheapest guy wanted $800 and that didn't include busting up the concrete (just one giant piece shoved in the hole). plus i would need a bigger hole to make room for the saw/guide tracks and would have been useless on that old foundation concrete.
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thanks! stay tuned, i'm going to post some more pics tonight: better shots of the window, temp support wall removal and cleanup.
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thanks! stay tuned, i'm going to post some more pics tonight: better shots of the window, temp support wall removal and cleanup.
Can't wait b/c so far it looks like it's coming along nicely!
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ugh, quite the mess leftover. there was surprisingly little dust outside of the cutting area.

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before cleaning that up though, time to take down that temporary support wall

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nothing too fancy here, just needed to whack it with a hammer

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and here we are!

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now was the time for some cleanup. busted out the shop vac with a drywall dust insert to pick up all the concrete dust. put on the soft head and cleaned up the flat surfaces on the other end of the room. pulled the nails from the temp wall lumber (i can use it later to support the main center bearing wall while i move a man-opening down the wall) and stacked it up neatly. this was the final product.

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now to tackle the mess outside. shot after picking up some concrete...

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...and placing it in the trailer. i don't really have the means to store/bury it on my property and the local concrete place will take old concrete for a mere $5/ton.

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still a ways to go

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concrete needs to be clean for the concrete place to take it. this is the metal i pulled out. not too much. some j-bolts for the sill plate, some framing around the old window and a piece of bar that run under the old window. there was no mesh in the wall itself.

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final look with the first load of concrete on the trailer. simply too much for that little thing to handle all at once.

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first round of concrete dropped off at the pit. got up at 5:30 to get there by 6:00 so i could dump it and get back in time for work. first load was 2080 lbs for a total of $5.27. felt a little silly on the scale with my 7500 lbs fully loaded while the big dump trucks were pushing 80,000 lbs.

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that night, loaded up the last load. i couldn't pick up that piece in front and had to sort of 'ramp' it into the trailer. i figure it had to weigh 200 lbs.

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this was the shot this morning at the gravel pit. so long, concrete! see you someday in a highway! this last load was about 1100 lbs. when i went in to pay, the girl said the scale was acting weird and that the dump was on the house. score! secretly, i just think she didn't want to deal with getting out the lock box and making change on a $2.50 bill.

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and a final shot with everything cleaned up

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rain and sand erosion will be a problem until i get the retaining wall up and gutters installed. in the second pic, gutters will run from right to left along the three horizontal trim pieces. the piece on the far left will have no gutter (might add it later). downspout will be where the shovel is and my wife wants to put in a rain barrel. garden is behind me and down hill from the downspout location so it is a win-win. guy quoted $195, installed. these are for seamless 6" gutters to match existing. ironically, this is the same guy that put the original gutters on the house about five years ago, for the previous owner.

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