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CK4500 01-06-2009 11:15 PM

Custom Shower Project - need advice
 
Hi All!

I built my house in the summer of 2007. I had little projects to complete here and there, and I am mostly done, except for the ensuite bathroom.

I have a shower stall that is framed and drywalled. Inside measurements are 54" wide by 48" deep. I never considered what custom glass doors were going to cost when I designed it. I was shocked to receive quotes back for around $2000:eek:. My Shower opening is 51 inches (without any tiles installed), but I can frame it smaller, to say 48". Home depot has a great 48" x 72" door (for only $481), but the 24" door is in the middle, between two 12" panels. I need my door to be on the right side, with a 24 to 27 inch panel to the left.

Below is a picture of what I have to work with. The space from the vanity to the ride side of the shower opening is 27 inches. The $480 job from Home Depot has 12" side panels with a 24" door. Maybe I could use the door on the far right side, hinged to the wall, then use a 12" panel on the left, and build it the far left side out with glass blocks?
Need to come up with something far cheaper then the $2k ish custom glass!!

If I don't come up with something, I am going to have to buy a $20 shower curtain from WalMart!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/CK4500/shower.jpg

angus242 01-06-2009 11:23 PM

Yes, shower door glass costs that much. You might shop around and find something a tad cheaper but don't hold your breath. I personally think the look of a cheap door is just that, cheap. Honestly I'd suggest the shower curtain until you can afford the nice door.

That said, please tell me that isn't standard drywall or greenboard in that shower and REALLY don't tell me you're going to tile over that.....:confused1:

CK4500 01-06-2009 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angus242 (Post 208386)
Yes, shower door glass costs that much. You might shop around and find something a tad cheaper but don't hold your breath. I personally think the look of a cheap door is just that, cheap. Honestly I'd suggest the shower curtain until you can afford the nice door.

That said, please tell me that isn't standard drywall or greenboard in that shower and REALLY don't tell me you're going to tile over that.....:confused1:

Thanks!

Yes it is, and yes I am.

I am using the schluter membrane system, which keeps the water out. Very slick, but pricey....

angus242 01-06-2009 11:52 PM

Glad to hear about the Schluter but as a pro, I still wouldn't use the drywall. I use nothing less than DensShield or CBU. Not trying to be a spoil-sport or anything. Just trying to keep the people who read this informed!
You REALLY need to make sure your Kerdi is installed correctly. One little mistake that allows moisture through and you'll have a big headache on your hands. Let's hope that never happens! :thumbsup:
Take a look at the "My Albums" link to see a Schluter shower in progress. The custom glass for this project (1/4" glass with brushed nickel framing) is costing me just over $1500 and I get contractors discounts.

Good luck with your project. Be extra careful installing that Kerdi!

Knucklez 01-10-2009 10:59 AM

my friend, i ran into the exact same problem a couple years ago with my kitchen shower remodel (see here)

the solution i had, i went to HD and bought a "Frameless" glassed shower kit without the acrylic walls (optional).

it was $650 before taxes

i used the plastic base which came with the kit because i wasn't confident enough to do full tile floor. but it was worth it for the glass and the mounting and the hindges and the door handle and the plastic water proof flaps.

of course this means that your shower framing must match the glass, rather than the glass matches your custom frame dimensions. but this is how you save large $.

ps. do yourself a favour and take angus242's advice. even if you have to rip the drywall off and re-do it.

Knucklez

nap 01-10-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by angus242 (Post 208399)
Glad to hear about the Schluter but as a pro, I still wouldn't use the drywall. I use nothing less than DensShield or CBU. Not trying to be a spoil-sport or anything. Just trying to keep the people who read this informed!
You REALLY need to make sure your Kerdi is installed correctly. One little mistake that allows moisture through and you'll have a big headache on your hands. Let's hope that never happens! :thumbsup:
Take a look at the "My Albums" link to see a Schluter shower in progress. The custom glass for this project (1/4" glass with brushed nickel framing) is costing me just over $1500 and I get contractors discounts.

Good luck with your project. Be extra careful installing that Kerdi!

Not intending to hijack this thread but I watched several of those Schluter/Kerdi vids. It seems strange to me that they would lay the floor piece last. It affords no overlap from the wall pieces which would help to eliminate any possibility of leakage actually getting under the membrane on the pan. Any thoughts?

angus242 01-10-2009 12:17 PM

The Kerdi overlaps any seams

nap 01-10-2009 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by angus242 (Post 210357)
The Kerdi overlaps any seams

true but in any installation where water cuold get behind the face, you always lap the top material over the lower material. On the sides and the bottom, although they do put a strip along the bottom edge first, they then put up the side sheet and eventually the pan sheet. When water intrusion from flow (rain or showerhead) would be of concern, you would always lap the upper material over the lower. In the situation they show, they have created an open edge at the edge of the pan that is lapped on top of the edge piece. That would allow water to get under the pan sheet.

Of course, many will say "but it's sealed with the mortar material" or whatever they used but, mortar is not waterproof and even if it were, why cause yourself a problem in the future when it did fail to seal.

counter intuitive to standards of installation.

Knucklez 01-10-2009 01:11 PM

nap, contact a kerdi rep and reference the video. let us know what they say.

wrangler 01-10-2009 04:05 PM

Why not bump out the left side of the opening 3" and then use a 48" bypass door off the shelf?

nap 01-11-2009 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Knucklez (Post 210382)
nap, contact a kerdi rep and reference the video. let us know what they say.

If any of you honestly believe what I am saying makes any sense, I can do that. If I'm sounding insane, then why bother letting anybody else know I am.

It just seems counter intuitive to all I have been told about order of lapping to prevent water infiltration.


as angus stated:

Quote:

You REALLY need to make sure your Kerdi is installed correctly. One little mistake that allows moisture through and you'll have a big headache on your hands. Let's hope that never happens! :thumbsup:
and he is correct, it is that important to be sure it is done properly.

So, back to the main topic;

the job I am currently working, they are using some sort of vinyl coated drywall under the tile walls. I have never seen it before. Any of you guys that actually do this familiar with it? Is it any good?

I am going to have to go and see what they are doing as a seam prep for it but if I saw correctly, they are simply using standard drywall mud along with the rest of the rooms.

and why doesn't anybody use Durock. That seems like it would simply be unbeatable for this type of install.

angus242 01-11-2009 04:03 PM

the job I am currently working, they are using some sort of vinyl coated drywall under the tile walls. I have never seen it before. Any of you guys that actually do this familiar with it? Is it any good?
Sounds like DensShield. I have recently starting using that myself. I like it because of how light it is and how easily it installs. However, I Kerdi every wall so I'm not too concerned with it's moisture resistance.
FYI, DensGuard is the exact same product, just named differently for exclusive sales at Lowes.


I am going to have to go and see what they are doing as a seam prep for it but if I saw correctly, they are simply using standard drywall mud along with the rest of the rooms.
That is an incorrect installation. DensShield (if that's what the product actually is) is installed just as any CBU product would be; alkali-resistant screws, alkali-resistant tape with thinset.

and why doesn't anybody use Durock. That seems like it would simply be unbeatable for this type of install.
I am a firm believer in waterproofing ANY tiled shower wall, PERIOD. Therefore, the backer material isn't as big of an issue. To me, it's all about how simple the product is to install. Durock is an absolutely acceptable material to use, although I'd still waterproof it.

nap 01-11-2009 04:10 PM

thanks Angus.

I went to the Dens shield website and that does look like what they are using. Not sure about the "mud". I'll have to check and hope I am wrong.

Knucklez 01-11-2009 07:28 PM

for denshield you use the same material as your tiles for the seams (with self adhesive mesh tape) and to cover the screw holes. you can also waterproof the seams and screw holes using RedGaurd.

DO NOT USE DRYWALL "MUD" with denshield.

CK4500 01-18-2009 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nap (Post 210336)
Not intending to hijack this thread but I watched several of those Schluter/Kerdi vids. It seems strange to me that they would lay the floor piece last. It affords no overlap from the wall pieces which would help to eliminate any possibility of leakage actually getting under the membrane on the pan. Any thoughts?


These videos puzzle me also.

I intend on doing the floor first, then the floor corners overlapping the floor, then the walls overlapping the corners, and so on. I was also going to run the membrane side to side, rather than up and down. The will eliminate the need to use inside corners going up the walls.

As far as my glass goes, I went straight to a local (1.5 hours away) manufacturer who can supply my glass (81.5" x 24" x 10mm & 72" x 27" x 10mm) For around $500! Tracking down the seals is my only problem now. Hinges and pull came courtesy of Ebay! ($100)
:thumbup:


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