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Old 04-07-2011, 06:36 PM   #16
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Been delayed a bit on project (what else is new), but just go thrown a wrench by the wife:

As I've posted above, was really heading down the path of that Kohler cast iron shower pan.. skip the mudding, keep it simple and move on. Ran it by my interior designer (wife), she liked some of the color choices going with the tile we've ordered and the bathroom scheme.

We were away this past weekend, in the hotel we were staying was a stand up shower, with a bench, and she mentioned she could not see having a place to lift her foot on to shave, etc etc (I guess currently she uses the corners of the bathtub)...

From what I've gathered, building a bench on top of a pre-fabricated pan is a no no. Especially this Kohler thing. I'm curious for some feedback on the directions I can go:

1) Proceed as planned with the Kolher Salient, bench plans be damned and deal with the wife's anger (asking foor feedback on the project aspect, relationship advice... that's another forum ).

2) Saw this while searching around on Google.. the Better Bench (http://innoviscorp.com/better-bench) - any experiences with this? This would allow me to keep the Kohler pan. It has ratings up to 400 lbs, which sound good.. but I'm always skeptical.

3) Learn to build the pan with mud myself, incorporating bench design (or hire it out). For some reason, even though you guys are great, I just am doubting myself on this one.. especially being in a condo building.. worried about mixing stuff, etc...

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Been delayed a bit on project (what else is new), but just go thrown a wrench by the wife:

As I've posted above, was really heading down the path of that Kohler cast iron shower pan.. skip the mudding, keep it simple and move on. Ran it by my interior designer (wife), she liked some of the color choices going with the tile we've ordered and the bathroom scheme.

We were away this past weekend, in the hotel we were staying was a stand up shower, with a bench, and she mentioned she could not see having a place to lift her foot on to shave, etc etc (I guess currently she uses the corners of the bathtub)...

From what I've gathered, building a bench on top of a pre-fabricated pan is a no no. Especially this Kohler thing. I'm curious for some feedback on the directions I can go:

1) Proceed as planned with the Kolher Salient, bench plans be damned and deal with the wife's anger (asking foor feedback on the project aspect, relationship advice... that's another forum ).

2) Saw this while searching around on Google.. the Better Bench (http://innoviscorp.com/better-bench) - any experiences with this? This would allow me to keep the Kohler pan. It has ratings up to 400 lbs, which sound good.. but I'm always skeptical.

3) Learn to build the pan with mud myself, incorporating bench design (or hire it out). For some reason, even though you guys are great, I just am doubting myself on this one.. especially being in a condo building.. worried about mixing stuff, etc...
I'm in no position to say if it is ok; but I really like the better-bench idea. I am bookmarking it for our future bathroom project. It doesn't look tooo hard to put in place either.
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I'm in no position to say if it is ok; but I really like the better-bench idea. I am bookmarking it for our future bathroom project. It doesn't look tooo hard to put in place either.
Yeah.. I'm running by her as we speak

I haven't read up on the specs/install guide yet, but I'm curious how you seal the bottom side of it... if you can get into trouble under there with moisture hiding out, etc.
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Does she need a bench to rest her foot on to shave or maybe just a corner shelf at the right height?
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Before we were planning on tiling 3 feet up the regular bathroom walls, was going to use Green Board for non-shower areas and ceiling and paint... should I use CBU for the 3 feet from the floor on where the tile will be going around the bathroom or stick with greenboard there and thinset over that?
Green board is generally thought to be acceptable for these areas from what I've read.
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Jim - I tried the shelf idea on her... she's set on the bench ("I _NEED_ it"). I plan on using a shelf in the corner at about chest height (like your picture).

Thanks for the greenboard post... demo will be finished tonight/tomorrow morning, renting the uhaul for the roundtrip to the dump... home depot for greenboard, CBU, flooring material... yeeeehaw!
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That wall-mounted bench looks quicker and easier to install than building a shower base with a bench. Probably well worth the cost for a DIY project. I'm getting inspiration for my upstairs bathroom.
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Demo complete.. down to studs.. Wife was out all day, handled it myself, including the tub.. surprisingly lighter than I expected ,but still tough to carry over the head out to the Uhaul.

Some surprises:
- How the tub was attached: really wasn't.. just the drain and the overflow drain. One of the best parts about DIY/renovations for the first time doing something is gaining an appreciation for how things are put together, and really helps you understand buildings. I thought the tub would be anchored and screwed into bedrock.
- Used a tip from This Old House I found on line to unscrew the tub drain: http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/askt...218679,00.html
- Mold everywhere... will detail in next post. Did protect myself.
- I'm in a condo, so was really reluctant to sledgehammer at the tile walls... so just pryed off a line of tiles vertically, hammered through the drywall and fireboard... used a reciprocal saw to cut through down and just yanked a lot ot remove large sections.

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Tub is out!
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Off to the dump... good riddance!
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Every muscle and bone in my body is sore today... but a smile on my face... now the reconstruction can begin..
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Here is the thread I've just posted on a question on how to deal with my neighbor's mold problem and preventing it from touching my soon to be mold free new bathroom!

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Been travelling, dealing with mold issues (see above link), and workign quite a bit, so progress has been slow.

In terms of deciding HOW to build the shower, the big decision was the base. Premade cast iron but not being able to tile vs. custom deck mudding style vs Kerdi vs TileRedi got us confused and overwhelmed with choices/tradeoffs.

I eliminated the TileRedi after BudCline scared me with his opinion of it here:
Tile Redi Shower pan question

I really really wanted to use Kerdi, but in the meantime, my wife had a guy who did a similar project for a friend of ours come by for an "estimate" on moving the drain from the left edge (from the tub set up) to the center of the shower area and build a bench and preslope.

To keep things moving (at the behest of my wife as well), we opted to have him get going, as I was travelling and working over the last couple weeks, to keep momentum on the project. Cost wise, it was coming in a little more than the Kerdi System as far as I could tell, and it would just "get done."

So, drain was moved, bench framed out and built, studs reinforced (see mold thread) and tub faucet plumbing switched out for the shower stuff we purchased. Then preslope and pan liner installed.

This leads me to some questions on the next steps, I've started to ask here, please check out and help out if you can:
http://www.diychatroom.com/f15/prep-shower-walls-shower-bench-question-103980/

I've taken some pictures along the way, so I'll get those off the camera and uploaded soon..

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