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Old 02-08-2012, 07:34 AM   #76
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That's what scares me the most about hiring someone to do the job, half the time the person you hire doesn't even show up to do the job. Did they charge you extra or did they stick to their quote?

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good post. I always feel better being a DIY-er after I see posts from someone who paid for what they were expecting Professionals. Sorry for your dilemma. Congrats on the new baby! I hate drywall and mudding and always contemplate just having it done, But I am sure I will continue cussing and doing it myself
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First things first, thanks for posting the update. This post had quite a different tone from the others. The thing is, contractors do this type of bullsheet everywhere. I am not stereotyping contractors but it just seems alot of people either don't care about their trade anymore, or they don't have enough experience and know how.

I hope your wife has cooled off since October and congratulations on the addition.
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You do know that the green board you have in the bathroom only gives you some minimal water resistance? To be water proof you really need something over the top of that. Something like the Schluter Kerdi Waterproof Membrane.

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You do know that the green board you have in the bathroom only gives you some minimal water resistance nothing close to water proofing? To be water proof you really need something over the top of that. Something like the Schluter Kerdi Waterproof Membrane.
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That's what scares me the most about hiring someone to do the job, half the time the person you hire doesn't even show up to do the job. Did they charge you extra or did they stick to their quote?
That's the nice thing about having a contract. After the deposit, you don't pay until the job is complete. There is no room for bargaining unless you want something that's not in the contract.

What SHOULD have happened was that Bob should have used my (sizable)deposit to purchase all the materials for the job, and just brought the materials when the job started. He should have only taken the job if he knew he could have done it.

I'm certain "Bob" just didn't know how to run a business. He was a painter for a long time. He probably didn't do much drywall. I talked to a lot of his guys- by the end of the project, a lot of the guys didn't show because he couldn't pay them. Apparently, he started a lot of jobs at the same time, but couldn't finish them. Then he ran out of cash. The last few days, a few guys were working without pay just to get my project done. The one guy who did know how to drywall was very good- I hired him directly after all this nonsense with help on the remaining work. It would have been a lot cheaper for me had I just found him on Craigslist myself!

I heard, in the end, "Bob" took all the company's cash and vanished. No kidding.
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good post. I always feel better being a DIY-er after I see posts from someone who paid for what they were expecting Professionals. Sorry for your dilemma. Congrats on the new baby! I hate drywall and mudding and always contemplate just having it done, But I am sure I will continue cussing and doing it myself

Thanks. That's the thing about being a true DIYer- you know what you did, and how you did it. You know if you did it wrong it has to be fixed. It is also a learning process, and you expect to make some mistakes (hopefully nothing crucial).
Some pros are just that. They are experts and professionals. Some are just bums. You have no way of knowing unless you get them from a reliable source. That's why referrals are so important, IMHO. The previous owners hired a LOT of bums who really took advantage of them. You could see I had to clean up the mess, and I already had a lot of things on my plate.

I was glad I hired someone to do the drywall and paint- I didn't really realize just how much work it could be. I'm sure I would have done a crappy job at first and maybe have had to replace bad drywall myself. I just wish a pro wouldn't make the same type of rookie mistakes.
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What purpose does green board serve in a bathroom if you are not going to use it with a vapor barrier?
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What purpose does green board serve in a bathroom if you are not going to use it with a vapor barrier?
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What purpose does green board serve in a bathroom if you are not going to use it with a vapor barrier?
I was unaware that there was a requirement to surface all bathroom walls with a vapor barrier beyond green board and high-gloss paint. I certainly have not heard of anyone doing this. The shower in the bathroom was lined with 6mil plastic sheeting on the base of the shower stall, and Hardibacker was placed along its walls before tiling.
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I was unaware that there was a requirement to surface all bathroom walls with a vapor barrier beyond green board and high-gloss paint. I certainly have not heard of anyone doing this. The shower in the bathroom was lined with 6mil plastic sheeting on the base of the shower stall, and Hardibacker was placed along its walls before tiling.
There isn't.
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I was unaware that there was a requirement to surface all bathroom walls with a vapor barrier beyond green board and high-gloss paint. I certainly have not heard of anyone doing this. The shower in the bathroom was lined with 6mil plastic sheeting on the base of the shower stall, and Hardibacker was placed along its walls before tiling.
Its not a requirement its common sense. Green board is only moisture resistant not water proof.
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Its not a requirement its common sense. Green board is only moisture resistant not water proof.
I don't know about that.... It's not like I'm going to be filling up the bathroom with water. It just has to "resist" the vapor that accumilates when someone showers. Plus, I installed a vent that goes outside.
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I don't know about that.... It's not like I'm going to be filling up the bathroom with water. It just has to "resist" the vapor that accumilates when someone showers. Plus, I installed a vent that goes outside.
Hot water can evaporate because heat rises. This is why bathrooms should have ventilation. Ventilation though, never draws out moisture instantaneously or even all of it just most of it.

And toilets can sweat. Even the so called expensive ones that are designed to not sweat can still sweat. I have personally seen it myself.

I do not know what kind of lines he has either, but metal plumbing lines, like copper, do sweat too. This is why they make anti-sweat valves for such plumbing lines.

There is the fact also that water lines can leak without there being a flood. Even when everything is plumbed right it can still happen. Its not a perfect world. Stuff happens!

Additionally, Unless the house is sealed up really, really tight there can be water vapor in the air inside the house And that can weep or wik.

No house should be sealed up that tight though. Its a very bad idea to have a house sealed up that tight. Houses need to breath!

There is just plain old common sense too. Anywhere there is moisture there should be protection.

As I previously stated as well. Green board is not water proof its only resistant. Its a combination of things like a vapor barrier, mold and mildew resistant paint, proper ventilation, and yes .. the green board, etc. and so on, that gives you the proofing or close to.

You can disagree with this stuff I have said too, that's your right, but I have personally pulled enough green board over the years to know that it does not hold up in the long run without other protection in place. I actually have some outside right now over by the trash from a job I just did. It is wet and has surface mold on it. There was no flooding in that bathroom either.

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sO JASIN, I am curious since you have done a lot of tearing out of green board..what do you suggest for bathroom walls---starting with open stud cavities?

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