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Old 04-01-2012, 11:39 PM   #16
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Weekend update...

I was able to finish off all four columns and the bench, and get started on the side boxes for the fireplace. In a couple of the pictures you see the fence sections I was working on during the week...

6 weeks to an outdoor fireplace, here we go...-20120401_115659.jpg
One down! Maybe I could go third world style and put broken glass in the top of the second one...just to deter those evil party crashers

6 weeks to an outdoor fireplace, here we go...-20120401_161212.jpg
...and done! That means I have to start the real project, the fireplace...

6 weeks to an outdoor fireplace, here we go...-20120401_161221.jpg
Humble beginnings here...hopefully will get one box finished during the week

The fireclay is also in just need to pick it up; and it is in fact "Heat Stop," I talked with the masonry guy this morning, my 12" throat coving sections are also here, big savings on those versus the prefabbed full throat.

I wasn't totally convinced on the benches while they were coming together, but now that they are finished I really like the look, works well with the house, and they are super solid/sturdy.

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Old 04-02-2012, 07:30 PM   #17
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Weekend update...

I was able to finish off all four columns and the bench, and get started on the side boxes for the fireplace. In a couple of the pictures you see the fence sections I was working on during the week...

Attachment 48436
One down! Maybe I could go third world style and put broken glass in the top of the second one...just to deter those evil party crashers

Attachment 48437
...and done! That means I have to start the real project, the fireplace...

Attachment 48438
Humble beginnings here...hopefully will get one box finished during the week

The fireclay is also in just need to pick it up; and it is in fact "Heat Stop," I talked with the masonry guy this morning, my 12" throat coving sections are also here, big savings on those versus the prefabbed full throat.

I wasn't totally convinced on the benches while they were coming together, but now that they are finished I really like the look, works well with the house, and they are super solid/sturdy.

Looking good, keep it up.......

As for the throat sections, make sure to have a helping hand around when it's time to put them in. Although they are certainly cheaper, you need to carefully slide them on the angle iron and it get's heavy & awkward as they add up.....

Also, make sure it's Heatstop II, as the original is just a std. airset IIRC....
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:49 PM   #18
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Thanks for the heads up, it is "Heat Stop 50", which according to the Heatstop website:

2. Q. What are the Heat Stop product types?
A.
There are only two as follows:
1. Heat Stop in a 1 gallon (15 lb.) pail or a 3 gallon (50 lb.) pail. Premixed and ready to use.
2. Heat Stop-II in a 1 gallon (10 lb.) pail and Heat Stop-50 in a 50 lb. bag. Same producte but different size container. Add water, mix and ready to use.

9. Q. Which of the Heat Stop refractory mortar products is most popular?
A.
Every year Heat Stop-50 is used more than any of the other products. The reasons why follow:
1. Heat Stop-50 is the least expensive.
2. Heat Stop-50 (or Heat Stop-II) may be used for firebrick or clay flue installations with up to 3/8" thick joints.
3. Heat Stop-50 (or Heat Stop-II) may be easily colored with mortar color.
4. Heat Stop-50 (or Heat Stop-II) is non water soluble in service.
5. Heat Stop-50 (or Heat Stop-II) has an indefinite shelf life.
6. Heat Stop-50 (or Heat Stop-II) has excellent drying characteristics no matter the humidity

...and it says "non-water soluble" on the bag
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:30 AM   #19
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looks great man!!
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Hideous. I commend the DYI effort tho very impressive for novice.

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Hideous. I commend the DYI effort tho very impressive for novice.

Well you're just a ball of joy aren't you?

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Well you're just a ball of joy aren't you?
From the tone of his other posts, it looks as if he feels that any masonry project you should call him in. I'm surprised he didn't quote a teardown of the OP's benches and rebuild for a great price.

afaic, the OP has a wonderful project going and his knowledge of Masonry coupled with the questions he is asking are well enough to have him do this project.

There is a reason this web site starts with DIY in the url.

keep posting progress, its interesting to me.

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You had a nice long Holiday weekend. Where are the progress pictures?

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Yea wheres the pictures ??
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Old 04-12-2012, 06:03 PM   #25
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Unfortunately we had no days off over the holiday! We just opened a new building so while I'm training the new guys I'm here 7-7, 6 days.

This Saturday will be my last and next week I'm back on a 7-5:30 run so should see more progress after that.

We have also been having a good bit of rain down here so the last couple Sundays I've been unable to make any headway.

Hope to get the firebrick in this weekend, then I'll start to build up around it. The next two weeks I should make ALOT of progress.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:01 AM   #27
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Progress!

Got a good bit done this weekend, though still alot to do.

Finished the two outer boxes, got the firebrick floor laid, and started some brick on the outside.

Intial pre-layout
6 weeks to an outdoor fireplace, here we go...-layout.jpg

Chalk Lines
6 weeks to an outdoor fireplace, here we go...-chalk.jpg

Floor cut and finished
6 weeks to an outdoor fireplace, here we go...-floor.jpg

Right box completed, had to throw some wood in there.
6 weeks to an outdoor fireplace, here we go...-right-box.jpg

And a couple progress shots....
6 weeks to an outdoor fireplace, here we go...-progress.jpg

6 weeks to an outdoor fireplace, here we go...-progress-2.jpg

It seems to be picking up speed now, so hopefully I can make major moves this coming weekend as well.

Now a question for those of you that have actually built a fireplace before....

I realized this weekend that I have no idea how to actually assemble the throat/smoke chamber asembly once I get to that height.

Here are the pieces I have:
Angle iron (I think 42" even though fireplace is 36")
3 12" throat pieces
2 molded throat ends
Rectangular (I think 13" deep, matches fireplace depth) 2 piece smoke chamber
Flu liner pieces (also 13" square)

The main points I'm not sure on are:

1) The throat pieces are longer on one leg than the other, which is which?

2) The smoke chamber is not "angled in(Four 90 degree sides)" like the Rumford firebox, does that matter?

3) Same question for the throat pieces, although they are square ended so they match the smoke chamber.

4) What do I rest the angle iron on(Firebrick sides or concrete block?)

5) Whats the best way to support the brick across the front face of the top of the firebox? I want to do a curved opening, so maybe that solves the problem, and I'll just lay brick over a wood form until dry?

I guess what I need is a quick photo to explain it all or a good explanation to clear up my total confusion

THANKS! More pictures this weekend!(Hope for no rain)
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Here are the pieces I have:
Angle iron (I think 42" even though fireplace is 36")
3 12" throat pieces
2 molded throat ends
Rectangular (I think 13" deep, matches fireplace depth) 2 piece smoke chamber
Flu liner pieces (also 13" square)

The main points I'm not sure on are:

1) The throat pieces are longer on one leg than the other, which is which?

2) The smoke chamber is not "angled in(Four 90 degree sides)" like the Rumford firebox, does that matter?

3) Same question for the throat pieces, although they are square ended so they match the smoke chamber.

4) What do I rest the angle iron on(Firebrick sides or concrete block?)

5) Whats the best way to support the brick across the front face of the top of the firebox? I want to do a curved opening, so maybe that solves the problem, and I'll just lay brick over a wood form until dry?

I guess what I need is a quick photo to explain it all or a good explanation to clear up my total confusion

THANKS! More pictures this weekend!(Hope for no rain)

I think you have the throat & smoke chamber confused. The throat tiles should be 12" long and have a long radius on one side, which faces the backwall of the firebox.

The smoke chamber is nothing more than two sections of clay flue tile, cut on an angle. They get molded together, with the larger end down.

The angle iron rests directly on the block back-up. This is hard to explain, and everytime I do it, I have to stop & think about it, so you may need to draw yourself a simple diagram.

As for the arch over the opening, you'll need to build a temp. form to do that. It can be pulled out the next day typically.

If the kit you bought didn't come with any kind of directions, you can certainly find them, and a wealth of other knowledge, at rumford dot com. If you can;t find what you are looking for there, let me know, I'll steer you in the right direction..........
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I think I have figured out part of it from a few pictures I found...

This first pic shows the throat pieces I have, and the two end pieces. I can see now that I simply set then end pieces on an angle to match the angled sides of the firebox.

Do the rear edges of the throat ends meet right up against the rear of the firebox?
6 weeks to an outdoor fireplace, here we go...-throat.smoke.jpg

Here is what the molded throat looks like.

Clearly, the rectangular smoke chamber will not match the trapezoidal top of the throat, do I simply rest the smoke chamber pieces on top or do I need to somehow fill the voids on the side corners? In the second picture it doesn't match but I just wanted to be sure.
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Try this for full step-by-step directions. Hit "Back" or "Next" at the bottom to see more. Also, the throat tiles sit flush with the front of the firebox/firebrick, which, if you built the firebox to the appropriate dimensions, will leave exactly 4" for the throat opening. The covings simply flush with the plane of the splayed sidewalls below.

http://rumford.com/instc.html


One more side profile diagram that should help with throat & smoke chamber. The wider end of the SC obviously goes down, with it centered right to left, and it should favor the front of the fireplace. Pulling it slightly forward creates a small version of what is typically referred to as the "smoke shelf".

http://rumford.com/segflyerplan.html


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