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Old 06-07-2012, 11:12 PM   #31
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Why not leave the blocking and go with non-vented attic space?

Here is the prescriptive for unvented attic space from the CRC 2009.

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R806.4 Unvented attic assemblies. Unvented attic assemblies (spaces between the ceiling joists of the top story and the roof rafters) shall be permitted if all the following conditions are met:

1. The unvented attic space is completely contained within the building thermal envelope. 2. No interior vapor retarders are installed on the ceiling side (attic floor) of the unvented attic assembly. 3. Where wood shingles or shakes are used, a minimum 1/4 inch (6 mm) vented air space separates the shingles or shakes and the roofing underlayment above the structural sheathing. 4. In California Climate Zones 14 and 16, any air-impermeable insulation shall be a vapor retarder, or shall have a vapor retarder coating or covering in direct contact with the underside of the insulation. See Title 24, Part 6, Figure 101-A-California Climate Zones. 5. Either Items 5.1, 5.2 or 5.3 shall be met, depending on the air permeability of the insulation directly under the structural roof sheathing. No insulation shall be required when roof tiles, wood shingles or wood shakes, or any other roofing system using battens and no continuous underlayment is installed. A continuous layer shall be considered to exist if sheathing, roofing paper or any continuous layer which has a perm rate of no more than one perm under the dry cup method. 5.1. Air-impermeable insulation only. Insulation shall be applied in direct contact with the underside of the structural roof sheathing. 5.2. Air-permeable insulation only. In addition to the air-permeable insulation installed directly below the structural sheathing, rigid board or sheet insulation with an R-value of R-4 shall be installed directly above the structural roof sheathing for condensation control. 5.3. Air-impermeable and air-permeable insulation. The air-impermeable insulation shall be applied in direct contact with the underside of the structural roof sheathing for condensation control. The air-permeable insulation shall be installed directly under the air-impermeable insulation.
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Old 06-08-2012, 12:23 AM   #32
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I think you are committed at this point, with not holding the rafters an inch+ above the ridge beam..... Did plans call for a 2x cedar (plus WRB) behind the vertical electrical conduit on the wall to trim to with siding, or behind the meter box? Or just box it in as an after-thought.
A better one; http://www.bergerbuildingproducts.co...sAccuvent.html

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P.S. Don't forget your ceiling backing for drywall on the gable rake-wall at the shear clips...
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Why not leave the blocking and go with non-vented attic space?
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That's certainly what I would do. We did that a couple of years ago with an addition we made and are extremely happy with it. The spray foam costs a little more but we certainly think the benefits are worth it.
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:20 PM   #34
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This is a bit over due update on the progress....and at this point I am actually starting to think that we just might be living in the new addition by Christmas.....I really feel like I'm over the 'hump'.....the real hard stuff is done....no more heavy beams....just a lot of little details....

You guys were right about the blocking....only needed it at the edges....so took it all out....it will make the insulation and venting easier....

Last weekend I put up scaffolding around the addition. After looking at the options of renting and buying....I bought.....I bought all of the below for $840. 22 sections of the 6' walk under....and enough cross braces to hold it all together. The big savings was the wood....14 2x12's 16' that we got in at work in the form of crates for fin tubes....I figure that in about 4 months I can sell all of it basically for what I paid for it....assuming the buyer doesn't see this thread...





The real accomplishment is the roof.....finally got most of the sheathing on today....along with all of the facia....I need to go pick up a couple more sheets on Monday....but that will be easy compared to the rest.





Assuming I don't get shipped out of town any time soon....I should be able to finish up the inside framing over the next week or so. I have a crap load of A35's to nail in. With luck, I'll have all those little details done by mid Aug....once I get buy off on the frameing....I can turn my stucco guy loose.....and the wife and I can concentrate on drywall and floor tile....Electrical is over half done...and will be complete by the time I'm ready for the framing inspection. (electrical is one of those things you can do late at night and not wake people up).

On a side note....cleaned out the garage July 4th....moved all of my wife's crap out....I have my garage back.....now lets see how long it takes her to sort her stuff out and move it to the upstairs part of the garage....
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Took the blocking out? It looked like you had a sheer roof as well as walls. I really like your comment about frequent advice to hire a DIY done "professionally". Although it is great to have contractors out there for those who are NOT interested in learning and doing alone, and doing it RIGHT can be difficult for the inexperienced, that is why we post here! Thanks for the very detailed and useful posts. Sure enjoy seeing this build.
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WOW ddawg - you have been burning it at both ends haven't you! It's incredible to see/hear how much of it you're doing yourself. As I said in the GJ thread - just keep thinking how much you'll enjoy it all for years to come!
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Time for an update......at this point it feels like I'm not making a whole lot of progress....but the reality is that those little details can be really time consuming.

At this point....I'm about 95% done with the roof....short of shingles....the plan is to have it ready for inspection within about a week....once the roof is done...I don't have to worry about rain....which is maybe a month or two away....

This is the bay window of our master bedroom....being the anal person I am, I want all the facia primered and painted before the drip edge goes on...



This is the side to the right of the bay window....you can see the cap for the solar light tube.....love those things...



That solar tube is for the walkin closet....if it works as well as the one we installed in the existing bathroom, we will never have to turn on lights in there during the day......also note...this walkin closet also has vaulted ceilings....giving my wife even more room for all her 'stuff'....



The decision to buy my scaffolding vs renting was one of the better ones I have made....I have about $900 into all of it....knowing how long I take to do things....it has already worked out cheaper than renting....and I'm sure I'll have no problem selling it when I'm done.

Additionally....there are some things that just can not be done on a ladder....I hate heights...but I can at least handle working on this.





One of the more difficult tasks was the eaves on one side. Because they are closer than 5' to the property line, they have to be of 1 hour construction. Hence, I have the roof sheating...outlookers...a layer of 5/8" type X drywall...then my spruce T&G lap boards. We wanted to keep the 'look' of the addition consitant with the original house. I think it look real tacky to see an addition that shares nothing in common with the original house.

Sorry about the view....just turn your head sideways...



This is the skylight in the master bath.....we figure it will be a great way to get warm air out of the upstairs in the summer (we do not have AC...don't really need it).



This is an inside view of the bay window for the master bedroom......plenty of natural light.



I am about 80% done on all the electrical. About 75% done on the plumbing. Downstairs is 100%. I just have the upstairs to do....mainly water....and it's not going to be easy...

We are shopping for windows and doors now....last big real expense.

Still trying to decide which way to go on shower pans.....hot mop....membrain or Kerdi. Can't use a 'common' size....this is what our upstairs (my) shower looks like.....we will have tempered glass going up from those walls....



Oh well...time to go work on the house....gotta beat the rains....
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WOW - That is going to be some beautiful house when done!

I built Mrs E-tek a walk-In closet when we redid the North end of our home. She says it's perfect, but I think (know) we could have taken at least a foot out of the bathroom and given it to her walk-in. As it is, the closet is 5 feet wide (and 12' long), but with the 'built-ins" and other stuff, it got narrow fast. The bath on the other hand is huge....

Always in hindsight....

Keep posting - 'cause we're watching! Who knows, I might see it in person some time!

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Good move on the prime & paint prior to drip edge!

Great job you are doing here.. I like the bay window for the bedroom. Also the sky/tube light....

I don't do well at all with roofs and high places.. Fell off a two+ story roof when I was a kid.. Still not over it although flying and jumping out of planes has not been a problem..

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I don't do well at all with roofs and high places.. Fell off a two+ story roof when I was a kid.. Still not over it although flying and jumping out of planes has not been a problem..

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LOL.....funny how that works....I'm the same way.....have a couple of jumps under my belt....didn't bother me at all....never got the sense of falling.....

Flying? I go up with my FIL all the time in an acrobatic plan (Robin)....never bothers me....

But get over 6'? Not a happy camper.....

I guess I'm just a grounded kind of person.....

E-Tek....yea....you need to stop by the next time your passing through...beer is on me....
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AWESOME update! I was wondering how it was going! LOVE those solar tube lights.

Do you mean that the rainy season is a month or two away or that you think you will have shingles on the roof in a month? Doing that part yourself also?
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Do you mean that the rainy season is a month or two away or that you think you will have shingles on the roof in a month? Doing that part yourself also?
Our rainy season 'usually' starts around November....

I re-roofed my existing house about 8 years ago.....I had SO much fun doing that task myself that I think it's only fair I let a roofer have a shot at the same fun....

So....if all goes well, I'll be ready for my inspection next Monday....then go find a roofer to cover it up.....(I have one guy I've used before...but will still get more quotes)
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Great write up. I'm looking forward to more.

One of my favorite parts of this thread is to look for the beer can or beer bottle in the pictures.
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ddawg,
I've been following your thread in amazement. Can't believe you're getting all this done on your own.

So maybe dumb question... but how did you go about framing the 2nd story (outside walls). Frame in place? or frame on floor and raise the walls?
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I've been following your thread in amazement. Can't believe you're getting all this done on your own.

So maybe dumb question... but how did you go about framing the 2nd story (outside walls). Frame in place? or frame on floor and raise the walls?
Frame on floor....

Square walls are easy....raked walls....NOT easy.

I would basically draw the wall layout on the floor using chalk lines....then build on top of that. Once I had it nailed....I would then nail down the corner OSB (shear wall). This insured the wall was square. Then with the help of my wife, we would raise it in place and anchor. Works fine if there is no wind.....

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