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Old 06-12-2014, 09:43 PM   #91
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:06 AM   #92
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I pray your cancer has been stopped and you are doing well. I wish you the best.

We are also saddened by the death of your brother. I read a few articles about what happened and feel bad for your family.

A family friend, (someone my son went to school with) is stationed out that way. They're NW of Seattle. I think he's a navigator on an F-18. I believe he also does training.

I salute all our armed forces and civilians in sensitive positions.

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I second what Jaz said, we are glad to have you back and hope all is well.

I checked out the rocket mass thermal heater, that is amazing, if y'all build one will you post pictures and how you are doing it here. If it does all they say it does it will for sure be well worth the trouble.
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Heal up fast. You are in our thoughts and prayers.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:40 AM   #95
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Well I have found an ad on Craigslist for fire brick from an old kiln. The guy has over 1000 bricks on 100 brick pallets. So, I've called him for 1 pallet. That is $100. My budget for this Rocket Mass heater was $150, but I'm thinking that it might go over that. Today's project is to try to find two 25 or 30 gallon barrels. Off to the scrap yard...later!
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Found three 16 gallon new barrels for $40 total! Score! They are a good size that won't take up a big footprint.
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Right now I am supervising, because hubby doesn't need my help. We decided to put in a ridge pole, because I had a BRILLIANT idea. BRILLIANT I SAY! We have always had a problem with the rafted wet wall orchids dripping more water than needed into the potted orchids. So I was looking at the floor plan design and it came to me. EUREKA! Put a skinny wet wall in the middle of the greenhouse creating two walkways. It serves three purposes. The floor to ceiling structure provides support for the ridge pole. The west side of the wet wall can hold the hotter sun loving orchid rafts and the east wall can hold the medium sun loving orchid rafts. We can put smaller seedling rafts at the bottom so there is no "trip" hazard.

I measured it out and penciled it on the floor and it allows a 3' walkway at the door and the opposite end and 2' 7" on each side. Perfect! The wall will be the width of a 2x4 and 3' long. It will be covered in galvanized rabbit cage wire.

Last night I went Craigslist hunting and I found three 16 gallon barrels for the Rocket Mass heater. I also found a guy with salvaged kiln fire brick. 100 brick pallet for $100. The barrels were $40. My original budget for the system was $150. I see now that I will be going over, but it won't be by much. The rest of the supplies should be under $100 total. This project is really taking shape now.
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Back to HFGH updates for today. I have photos! The wet wall in the middle eliminates the need for the EMT tube supports so I will return all of those supplies tomorrow. The wet wall ends up saving us about $50 in supplies. I love it when that happens. Now we finish the shelf framing and start the RMH design. It will take a bit of experimenting and we are researching the thermal mass material that we want to use. The standard is cob (clay mud mixture), but we can't use that in a greenhouse. We have seen some folks use sand. I dunno about this one...more research required.

Next step, build the frame for the swamp cooler and trench for water and electrical. We are going to run PEX underground for the water line and that grey electrical PVC for the Romex.
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Is there any reason you can't use water for your thermal mass?
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Is there any reason you can't use water for your thermal mass?
Hi Keith,

We would have to use a lot more expensive material to use water because of the corrosion issue. We thought about it, but the cast iron plumbing pipe is not used as much any more so we would have to source it (8x the cost).

We are thinking about cinder block/mortar + brick/sand.
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Plastic pipe and plastic barrel?
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Plastic pipe and plastic barrel?
Interesting idea. I'll have to keep that one if our plan doesn't work.
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It was quite hot outside on Sunday so we spent the better part of the day discussing the RMH design. We finally got around to working on the greenhouse in the early evening. After determining that our hammer drill was no match for the concrete slab, I sped over to Home Depot and rented a real hammer drill. Got that and the bit and was checking out with 5 mins to closing time! I'm sure my neighbor didn't appreciate our hammer drilling until 9:45 pm. Oh well, at least we finished before 10 pm. We had one oops moment where we didn't drill deep enough. We put the lead sleeve in the hole and it wasn't deep enough to take the screw. We'll have to plug that hole. Just cosmetic.
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Monday's update. We are moving right along with the project. We liked the previous design that we used in the shade house so we will duplicate that almost exactly.

In the interest of reduce, recycle, and reuse, we are definitely eco-friendly on this portion of the greenhouse. The shelves are bread trays that were thrown out years ago. I found them on the side of a dumpster the year that we first built our shade house. We will use the brown ones that are slightly smaller on the East side of the greenhouse and the larger grey ones on the West side. This allows us to have four trays of shelving on each side without interfering with the RMH.

The wall with the styrofoam is where my potting bench will go (bigger of course) and to the right will be the sink. Above me in the gable, will be the swamp cooler. That way the nice cool air will flow down on me as I am working.

The top shelf will be reused Closet Maid shelving from our old shade house. I'm hoping that we have enough to avoid buying any more. We salvaged a bunch of the wall brackets and supports from the old junk left from the previous home owner 15 years ago. How's that for junk hoarding!

As for lighting, misting, and the sink: all will come from the old shade house. I don't think we will need all of the lights now that we are in a better light location, but you never know. We'll have to see how much (if any) supplemental light will be needed in the winter.

We are now searching for some freebie stuff on Craigslist. Hubby is convinced that we can find cinder block or brick free. I found some for 0.30cents / brick and that is the best deal so far.
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