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Old 03-16-2012, 07:26 PM   #46
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My family has all the tools I need.
Re-Roofed my grandmas house a few years back.
And every time someone in the family buys a Fixer, we strip it to the studs and rebuild it. (Pending they have the funds)

But yeah I def need to get on the ball, This week everything started growing,
Grass, Tulips everywhere etc....

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Old 04-01-2012, 12:48 PM   #47
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Ok so as I get close to starting this project, I'm finding some issues.

Why is it, there are hardly any information on this Picture Frame fence. It seems like it's construction is a secret.

Now that I think about it, the inside doesn't need to look that pretty since I won't really see it unless i'm Out near the back of my property.

I just thought it would be nice to have it look the same on both sides.

So, My plans are....
6ft Picture Frame Wood fence. Posts being 5x5, 2x4 support beams. On the pretty side I'll have 1x4 at the bottom and top. The top 1x4 will be above the boards about 1.5 to 2 inches allowing space to install Lattice on top. I was 4 ft but I think a 12ft tall fence might look too big..
idk though, So we'll see.

But thats the plan, I'm just not dead set on it yet
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Old 04-01-2012, 12:58 PM   #48
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Do you have specific construction questions? I've built a substantially similar fence before and did it after examining a number if similar fences in the area that were built by the local big fence companies. For whatever reason, that style of fence is super popular around here.

You can sort of have your cake and eat it too. The 2x4 top and bottom rails usually go on the inside and the planks are nailed to those from the outside, giving the outside a cleaner look but the inside a slightly more detailed look because of the rails. The lattice just gets framed in with 1x2 as you can see from your first photo, with another 2x4 rail up top.

4x4's suffice and are easier to line up. With the 5x5's you'll have more visual relief, which depending on your taste you may or may not want.

If it were my fence I would opt for 6' planks and then 1.5' of lattice on top. Don't forget that this is going to reflect sound as well as give you privacy and keep your dog in. The higher the fence the quieter your yard will be.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:19 PM   #49
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Thank you for the response. Yeah, My questions were regarding the building of it.
I was at first wanting it to look the same on both sides. I've seen where the picture frame doesn't have support 2x4's and I couldnt find info on that specific build.

HOWEVER, Now.... I don't care that much about the inside view from my backyard.

So, I want the Picture Frame Style Fence, With Lattice frame on top.
On the page before this one I photoshopped a stepped style fence. I'm "thinking" thats my best option. But it bothers me that each step
won't be exactly the same amount since the house side of the ground is more level, increasing more and more elevation once nearing the street. But I don't know if the Tapered with the ground would look good with lattice on top. Maybe I could taper the boards with the ground and then create the lattice as stepped.....

Anyway, My question really is Once I have the posts, I'll have 3 support 2x4s ( Correct? ) Are they installed with plain metal support brackets?
On the Pretty side I'll have 1x4 at the bottom and top for making it look nice and create the "Picture frame" style.

As far as the lattice goes, Should I have the Posts tall enough to go to the top of the lattice? Or just build box's on top, I'm worried about how strong itll be.

Total height. I want the fence 6ft, and the lattice atleast 2ft tall... making it 8ft. But what about 4ft of lattice making it 10ft.

Remember, the street sits about 15ft higher than the ground in my backyard... so there's a slope.....
I could always do the higher lattice at the ground and shorter near the street....

Also, I do like the posts being noticeable. I think it adds to it's appeal.

I can't decide on what to do, I'm looking for opinions.
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The lattice is detail, and if you have too much of it in proportion to the solid part of the fence it is going to look odd. I would limit it to 20% of the height (which is why I suggested 6' of board and 1.5" of lattice).

Your cost is going to go up significantly if you try and build it higher, and if the road is 15' above your property then realistically the fence would need to be 20' tall to give you line of sight privacy and sound protection...or higher even if you are set back from it. So I would recommend sticking with nothing any higher than 8'. Even that is tall, and will make your yard seem smaller than a 6' fence, which is standard.

The posts should go to the top of th lattice. Any other design will look strange.

I would probably use four 2x4's....one at the top and bottom of the boards to nail them to, one on top of that, set horizontally, as a base for the lattice, and one at the top, also set horizontally, as the cap. These would be your picture frame for the lattice.

Don't even think about angling your fence like a running picket or post and rail fence. It will look like crap, since the whole point of the design you've chosen is it's geometric purity. The lattice will look funny no matter whether you tilt it at the angle of the fence or try and keep it parallel to the ground.

A stepped fence looks best if you step as little as possible, and not every section. Look to see if you can design it where you have two unstepped sections and then a couple of stepped sections. This will moderate the stepped effect and make it look more architectural. In other words, run unstepped as long as you can, even if you have to bury one end a bit and rais e the ground at the other end of the flat part.

The hangers work great, and they are not too much of an eyesore. When the fence turns silver/grey you won't even see them anymore.
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Ok thank you for the advice.
If you looked at page 3 where I took a picture of where it would be, you
can see the slope. So there will def be some steps. Quite a few,

But I'll def take that advice and not go that high on the lattice.

The bottoms will have to be sloped, Unless I dig the ground out which will look just as weird.... right? The tops will be stepped and the bottoms slope with the ground.

Kinda like this.... (first pic below)
Also, See... this is both sides of this fence. I don't see how he built this without the Supports...
It just looked like he nailed everything together. Hows is support it and keep the wood from warping/bend etc... that naturally happens...


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Yeah, slope the bottoms like that. also, depending on the lay of the land, leave some space...an inch or so...for water to run underneath. If not you'll create drainage problems that can lead to buildup and premature failure. If you have a dog that likes to dig, that might be an issue you need compromise on.

And I would not look at his fence. It is brand spanking new. It could well warp. Looks like he toe-nailed the top and bottom horizontal pieces on one side, nailed the slats on, then added the horizontal pieces on the other side. Those horizontal 1x6's are definitely toe-nailed in. You can see it.
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Looks awesome. I've always wanted to split my house up between my neighbors. But, since I enjoy talking with my neighbors on the left of me, it would look weird to split the neighbors on the right of me.

Did there a chain linked fence splitting the backyards?
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Really like the house, I love that car space from the 1st page. Love my cars and it's great to be able to have a space like that to show them off
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Ok so you're saying more than likely that fence won't look very good in a few years because it might look nice now, but it's not supported very good
correct.

I'm just going to go with One sided Picture frame.
Posts (I'd like to find 5x5, but I think I'll have to settle with 4x4)
With 3 2x4 supports, Top middle and bottom. With the slats, and
on the pretty side I'll have 1x6 at the top and bottom for the picture frame look. My dad said 1x6 will warp etc... that 2x6, but man, thats thick!

I need to get a book about building a fence so I know exactly what I'm doing even though I'm kind of going with a custom design....

I got the line and flags out to mark the posts yesterday,
I marked ever 8ft 4inches so the 8ft 2x4's would sit exactly at the edges of the 4x4 posts.... But Having to cut might be better than being slightly too long if I mess up the measuring.... Although I don't see why if I measure 3 times and make sure it's perfect. I think...

Ugh... I need to get on this, My fiance' continue to remind me the time it's taking and how I said I'd be done by May 5th.....

btw it's about 130ft of fence... 100ft and then a 30ft right angle at the top near the street


Edit: Yes, I enjoy having a wide driveway from the street all the way to the carport. It's wide enough to fit my car and my fiance's cobalt side by side.... Which Is nice. I just wish the carport was slightly more wide.... 2.5 vs the 2 I have....
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Ok guys, Sorry for being gone.

Been so busy. Done a couple things.
Had some cracking and drooping of a cieling in one of the rooms. turned out to a be a single Nail in the roof that must have been stepped on it went through the shingles and between a board.
Anyway, had to replace the cieling.





But I've been working on the fence the last couple of days.

I got the Posts in. Heres a pic!



And getting the 2x4x8 support beams this morning.

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First off, that's an awesome looking house! I love the enthusiasm you have for your yard and cleaning it up.

The fence is looking great and it looks like the really hard stuff is in the past (setting the posts). Now the really rewarding part starts, keep the pictures coming!
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Sorry I just have so much going on the only time I remember this thread if when I get an email notification of someones post.

I've almost finished three panels.

I still have to put the trim to cover the top screws.
And I still have to get approval from the zoning board to add
2ft framed lattice on top but It's looking good!



Infront of the fence I'm building a Flowerbed Box and going to make that real nice.
Also going to throw down some gravel there where it's real thinned....
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Well, You're going to start seeing me a lot more often.

Now that it's been 5 months, I got married on the 3rd of this month.
So now I can focus on the home projects.

Here's the fence.
I finished the panels and the boards, going to install the bottom
trim and the top trim and then waiting for approval from th zoning board for the top 2ft of framed lattice on top of everything.

Pictures!









So,






So, Now that we are married and everything we FINALLY got around to starting to paint inside the house.

The first room is going to be the living room.
We started by lightly sanding the walls, and filling in dips and exposing cracks and filling those in.

Here is where we are now.

We're not going to go crazy but a few days of good work should really help it look half way decent.

This black friday I'll be picking up a 60" LED for over the fireplace.
It's 84" from corner to corner (The fireplace backing) so it won't overlap and should look pretty good.







So that is where we are as of this week.....

Yesterday we were talking about how the fireplace (Which we don't use, But if needed to in an emergency could)
the black tile really doesn't look good....

So thinking about re-doing it. I like stone veneer and something new for the base. idk yet.

I really like this type of stone veneer, Like these.




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Updates??? I'm purchasing my first home also. 3 bed/2bath with lots of work needed! Please post updates of what you did so I can get some ideas hehehe

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