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Old 02-11-2014, 08:10 PM   #31
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That ring has fluid in it, right? I suspect it is attached to a metal tub/basket via little metal clips on the underside that clip onto the tub. Trying to remember exactly how they do fit on the ring itself. I'm thinking it is a press fit like deal.

Anyway, anxious to see what your friend finds out.

That buildup of crud, softener, soap, etc. is quite normal as these things are mostly never cleaned out in these areas I would think.

Kind of like dryers.

If you go to clean it, I would advise to get all the loose stuff you can out instead of hoping to flush it out due to the possibility of a piece of it blocking the hose going to the water level switch. Might be a slim chance, but it if it did, it might cause a flooding situation.

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Old 02-13-2014, 09:59 AM   #32
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Dave???? Any update?
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:38 PM   #33
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Well, the diagnosis was... inconclusive. It wasn't something he had ever run into before, and everything he looked at, or thought of, appeared to be in proper working order. But, he thinks my wormgear/input shaft theory is the best bet, at this point (since it's the only thing that I didn't remove from the gearcase).

When I inspected the gearcase, the wormgear, itself, was in perfect condition, and it wasn't, in the least bit, loose (to the touch), but I thought I was able turn it a little bit, by turning the coupler, and holding the shaft. It took a lot of pressure, and it was so hard to tell, that I didn't know, for sure, whether it actually moved, or was my imagination, but it would make sense. After the coupler, that would be the next point with the greatest amount of torque.

He believes that some of the input shaft/wormgears were one piece, but others were two pieces with a spline, so if that was where the damage was, it would make sense that I couldn't see it. In addition, I noticed oil in the area of the coupler, and input shaft (that wasn't there before). At first, I thought it was leaking from the vent at the top (from when I topped off the gearcase, when I was putting it back together), but it was dry on top, and it seems like it might have leaked from the input shaft seal.

But, another thing I noticed, yesterday, was that without a load (no water), the agitator goes in both directions (and doesn't make any noise), but when the tub is filled (and it starts making that god awful noise), it is only agitating in one direction! I had noticed before that you could see a difference in the agitator when it made the noise, but I hadn't realized that it was going in both directions w/o water, but only one direction with water. Do you think that could still be the wormgear? Or would that have more to do with the agitator cam? The cam appeared to be in perfect shape when I inspected it.

I spent last night looking for a replacement input shaft/worm gear, and any kind of instructional reference that would tell me how to remove them, but can't find anything, so far! Why would they not offer that as a replacement part? I don't want to take the gearcase apart again until I know if I can even get a replacement part.

On that note, I do still have that newer washer (I have to get the model number off of it), that has the more expensive board problems, in my back yard, rotting away... Do you think the gearcase would work in my older washer (the one I have been using most currently)? The newer one has a split agitator, so would the shaft be different?
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Old 02-14-2014, 07:14 AM   #34
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When it comes to the inner workings of the transmission, I am lost. I have seen one disassembled on YouTube, but I really didn't spend much time studying it. One reason is, as far I know, you can't buy the components separately. That is why when the transmission goes, so goes the machine most of the time for those who have no extra (used) ones lying around.

Searspartsdirect is one place you can go for exploded diagrams of each machine and get part numbers. You cannot get an exploded diagram of the transmission, just the whole unit.
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Old 02-14-2014, 07:28 AM   #35
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you can't buy the components separately.
I may stand corrected on that. I should know more later today or maybe tomorrow
.Might find this interesting:

https://www.google.com/search?q=wash...w=1366&bih=643

I hope I am not breaking the rules by posting this. If so, my apologies to the mods.

Btw, I do stand corrected on buying transmission components separately. There are diagrams with part numbers for each piece of the transmission.

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Old 02-14-2014, 02:22 PM   #36
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I've done all of my searching on the Yahoo! search engine, and it looks like Google might have some different options available, so I'll have to dig through those, when I can.

I have accumulated quite a list of appliance parts websites, and have several exploded, numbered diagrams for my particular gearcase, but they identify every part except those pieces. So, yeah, it looks like I can buy every gear, cam, clip, and shaft, in the tranny, except those...

I can't find the back piece for my "yard washer", right now, so I don't have an exact model #, but it's a Whirlpool Gold Catalyst. Any idea if the gearcases (and/or shafts) are interchangable? I can't afford the couple hundred bucks for a new tranny, but I can't afford the laundromat, either...
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Old 02-14-2014, 09:07 PM   #37
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I'm afraid I am at my wits end. Sorry.
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Old 02-17-2014, 01:50 AM   #38
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Hey boman47k,

Still no solution, but started a thread on another forum, if you'd like to peek in on that one every now and then.

http://appliantology.org/topic/47371...ator-problems/

Also, apparently you can't get that/those part(s) separately, but several people have sworn to me that they have never seen them go bad, either. I went to a local appliance parts house and I spoke to a gentleman there, who has his own appliance business (and really knows his stuff, especially regarding gearcases), so I am going to call him tomorrow to pick his brain a little more, and see what else he can tell me.

I might not be a whole lot closer, but if it's not the input shaft/wormgear, at least that means I won't have to shell out the $200+ for a new transmission, or more for a new washer.

I want to thank you, and let you know that I really appreciate all of your help!
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:54 AM   #39
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Wish I could have been more help. I need to study up on transmission issues myself. I have tossed a few thinking the trans was bad.
I have been to that site a few times over the years. Lately, I have watched some of his videos too.

You got some quick and what sounds like knowledgeable responses from the guru's site. I am going to check it out a little closer. Might save a couple of nice washers for me.

I think I will seeif I can post the video of my noisy Hotpoint there.

Thank you.

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Old 03-03-2014, 10:06 PM   #40
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SUCCESS!!! It took awhile, but I have a washer again! It's even "New & Improved"! Check out the whole story here:

http://appliantology.org/topic/47371...ator-problems/

Or just go here for the final solution (post #54):

http://appliantology.org/topic/47371...roblems/page-3

This link might take you straight to the actual post (not sure if it'll actually work):

http://appliantology.org/topic/47371...-3#entry286734

Make sure you check out the various links (throughout the posts on that site) to the tumblr page that has the pics, videos & sound clips!

Thanks again boman 47k!
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:19 AM   #41
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Glad you got her going. Feels good, right?

You got a pretty good eye for detail to notice the different angles on the gears.

Some very knowledgeable people on that site. I am going to have to take the time to go back over it all and see if I can retain a few tidbits.

The problem with the Kenmore I posted turned out to be the transmission. I am surprised it didn't make more noise than it did.

I can see how sn fits you. One of mine is 'Piddler***'.
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:39 PM   #42
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This sounds much like the agitator dogs have worn out. You only need to pop the top cap of the agitator to check these. There should be three or four (depending on model) of these agitator dogs. They will look something like little plastic cams mounted onto pins with teeth that mate with the teeth of the agitator itself. Which brings us to the other part of this problem-- the agitator itself has teeth molded into it on that mate with these agitator dogs. IF these are worn out then you would need a new agitator.
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Boman47k,

You have no idea how good! The satisfaction of accomplishment is always great, but I was really hitting desperate times, and success couldn't have a come a minute too soon! I am pretty critical regarding details (sometimes to the point of it really making my life difficult...), but nothing beats a little experience. You, and fairbank56, on the other site, really helped me in the diagnosis process, and yeah, there does seem to be some pretty knowledgeable guys on that site! But, just like on any internet resource, you have to really analyze the responses before deciding who you want to trust, and how you want proceed. So, what was the Kenmore tranny problem? How did you find out? And which SN are you referring to? Deviant Dave or DIY_Dave? In all honesty, they are actually both pretty fitting... Gotta watch it cuz people could take piddler a few different ways ; )

Thurman,

I appreciate the suggestion, and I hope this doesn't dissuade you from trying to help others, but you might wanna read back through the other 41 posts... In post #11, I actually point out that it was a solid, single-action agitator (no dogs), as 3 other people had already suggested (although, I have successfully upgraded it to a dual-action agitator, just for the heck of it!), and, as referenced in posts 40 & 41 (right above yours), the problem has already been fixed (agitator gear). Again, I hope this doesn't come across as being unappreciative, but it does help to streamline threads, and avoid redundant suggestions, if you peruse the entirety of the posts.
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Deviant Dave or DIY_Dave?
DIY_Dave

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.... piddler a few different ways


Hadn't thought of that. My very first sn was 'bman'. I was questioned about that in some chat room. I changed it.

Anyway, I had taken this machine apart and saved the parts. The frame, base and back panel was sitting beside my shop. The control panel and motor was in my shop. I like to fix these things and sell them sometimes. Had nothing to sell, so I decided to change the transmission and replace the wear pads on this machine with parts from another I had lying around.

The problem was solved. I was not really sure what the problem was, wear pads or transmission.

When I tilted the machine back, I did notice quite a bit of oil coming from the area of the transmission. That helped make my mind up to try a tranny change.

I sold the machine. A few days later I saw the transmission I had replaced and noticed the oil seems to have comer from around the top of the transmission where the shaft came out. There also seemed to be excessive side to side play in the shaft as if a bearing and or seal was going out.

I think the transmission was the main problem.

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