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Old 02-04-2014, 10:07 PM   #16
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Easier to just say to google these components along with the brand of the washer. There are videos that will walk you through it. Even the transmission which I have very little experience with.

Sounds like you already have them separated.
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Old 02-05-2014, 03:30 AM   #17
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Well, I got to thinking, that if it were a clutch, or a brake problem, I would probably hear it at other times, and the sound would be more of a constant screeching, scraping, or other consistent noise, or possibly a loud, abrupt knock, or pounding noise (I say this because of the hundreds of posts, blogs, and instructional/troubleshooting reference material that I have read online, since starting my investigation, not from personal experience).

The issue I have is definitely only during agitation, and is directly related to the movement of the agitator (because I can see the difference in movement when the sound occurs). After, a second inspection of all the gearcase components, I went ahead and put it back together, and will reinstall it tomorrow. With it semi-assembled, I kept trying the gears and it seems like everything is working correctly in spin, and agitate positions (by turning the coupler CW & CCW), with nothing slipping, and no resistance.

I suspect that whatever is going on, is only occuring during load (tub full of water and clothes), so I when I reassemble it, tomorrow, I am going to try to run it with the water turned off, and tub empty. Is that even possible? Are there sensors in it that check for a certain water level before agitation? If so, is there a way to bypass it?
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Old 02-05-2014, 08:18 AM   #18
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To get it to agitate without filling, you may have to attach a tube/hose to the water level switch. Blow into the tube. You should hear a click as the switch closes.

Just remove the tube that is on it now from down toward the bottom the outer tub, if you don't have another tube that will work. You can usually blow into it then bend it to close it off and keep the pressure on the switch so the machine will work as if it had water in it.

You are right about the noises that are usually heard from brakes and clutches....usually. These things can be quirky sometimes though. Look at some of the videos to make sure you put the brake and clutch back together in a way that they will not interfere with one another.

P.S. you may have to also bypass the lid switch to get it to agitate if the lid is up. Some will agitate but not spin with the lid open. Some will do neither with the lid open. I think it is the older ones that will agitate but not spin.
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:15 PM   #19
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Ok, I put it all back together, and gave it a "dry run" (no water or clothes), and it sounded great! I turned the water on and let it fill up like normal. As soon as it hit the agitate cycle... Same noise.. Considering I didn't really do anything, except inspect and reassemble, I really wasn't THAT surprised (but I was hoping...). I went ahead and recorded the noise it was making (don't know if it really translates well, but what the hey...). I'm going to try to attach it to this post, but I've never done that, so I don't even know if I can. If I can, the difference in the sound is me moving the recording device from the top of the open washer, to the front, then down the front towards the bottom. Ok, it wouldn't let me attach the .wav file, so I'm going to just attach the zipped file. As always, any suggestions, or comments, are appreciated!

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Old 02-06-2014, 10:36 PM   #20
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Yep, that is noisy. Does the basket stay straight when agitating?

The teeth skipping sound does not sound good. It does sound like gears skipping over teeth like maybe some teeth are rounded off or a bushing somewhere is worn and allowing play between some gears. This might not make sense, like I said, I have no experience with the inside of the trannys.

Not sure if wear pads would make that kind of sound. Might be something to look into.

If the basket/tub wobbles, I would check all springs on it.

I think the tranny may speaking to you.

Also google balance ring for that washer. Just taking a stab at anything I think might be the root of the problem with my limited knowledge.

P.S. I am going to go back and reread this so I can ...did you list the model number?

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Old 02-07-2014, 08:37 PM   #21
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It's a Whirlpool Design 2000, Model # LA3400XPW0. It's kinda hard to say on the basket... it doesn't stay perfectly straight, but it doesn't lean, very heavily, either... It does seem to "wobble" more than I would like it to, but.. it is an old washer, and my memory is so bad, I don't really have anything to compare to as far as if it wobbles any more than it used to, or any worse than any other washer. The tub stands straight up, and self-centers if I push it in any direction.

As for worn gear teeth, all of the gears in the gearcase, had nice sharp edges. pointy-ish on the ones that should be semi-pointy, and square on the ones that should be square. everything meshed really well, and all seemed really tight, buuut, obviously, something is going on.

Speaking of bushings, I was kinda concerned about the plastic pieces on the ends of the worm gear. It was the only thing that I didn't remove, and it felt tight, but I don't know how it connects on the ends, and thought that would be a potential point of slippage.

I checked the springs when I was under there looking around (none broken, bent, or loose). Not sure about the wear pads (haven't researched them, yet).

I looked into the balance ring, and while nothing comes up on my model, under that name, there are a few things that could meet the description. But, wouldn't that affect it while it was spinning, more than during agitation? Or, at least also?

I have a friend coming over in a few days to listen to it/look at it (turns out, he used to be a Maytag guy a loooooong time ago), so when he is here, and I fill the tub up again, I will also take a video of the tub agitating, and spinning, and post it.

Thank you for all your help, so far, and all of the excellent suggestions!

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Old 02-07-2014, 09:22 PM   #22
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I guess the balance ring clips and or teeth would have to be in pretty bad shape to do that. It a ring that fits around the top of the tub under the tub ring. It has lquid in it and serves sort of as a ballast. If it is one of those machines that agitates like crazy and this ring was loose,.....maybe. I can imagine it making that sound.

Wish I could be of more help. I have had a couple lately that were noisey. I am pretty sure one has a bad tranny, not sure about the other one. I have them on YouTube. May see if I can post them here for the heck of it.

Yeah, if you don't care, let us know what you find out.
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I am fully considering any ideas, likely, or not, so your brainstorming isn't going to waste, believe me! I was kinda wondering about stuff external to the tub (like if something got dislodged, or wedged somewhere it shouldn't be). It does seem to agitate like crazy! What name are your videos listed under on youtube? I was checking out various videos trying to find one that had a matching noise.

My friend (the ex-Maytag guy) is one of the two other people I had check out my gearcase before I put it back together. unfortunately, he has lost most of his vision since his repair days, so his visual examination is limited, but his hearing and reasoning are still fully intact, and experience is invaluable! I will definitely post the results of the upcoming diagnosis.
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This one had a couple of wear pads missing. I am not sure if that was part of the problem or not. I parted it out. I did think about replacing the pads to see what, if any , difference it might make. I might at some point if I come across a drive block. I used the one from this one to put on another to sell.

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First, I was going to say "I only wish my washer sounded that good!", but as the video went on, I saw what you were talking about. I watched a few other video with washers that had worn wear pads, and I noticed the problem sounded different on different machines, so I'm still keeping that on the table. but, I suspect it would sound worse during the spin cycle, instead of agitation, but I don't know.

Compared to your machine (in that video), mine does wobble a lot more... I video recorded mine right now (without water), but having a hard time getting the video to my computer, so that may, or may not, follow.

What do you think about bearings? I'm guessing there has to be some kind of bearings somewhere (other than the single one in the gearcase), but I don't see them in any of the schematics/diagrams for my washer.
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Really does not sound like a bearing to me. Could definitely be wrong. Since it does it in agitate mode, I can imagine the balance/ballast ring making that sound if it is slipping. Some of these machine can really do some violent agitating. The rings just clip on the tub, if I remember correctly. I will try to remember tot ake a picture of one tomorrow and see if I can post it here. It just under the tub ring that removed by pushing down at each clip and pulling the clip out and off. Do this all the way around the tub. You will see the balance/ballast ring. It has plastic teeth and metal clips that hold it on the tub. I think the teeth may more for adjustment than anything. See if you can move it by hand.

In my mind I can see these things slipping and making a noise similar to that.

I have had to work with the clips on these to make them hold.

Btw, your model number indicates either 1985 or 2004. Direct drive 2000 series? Guess that would be 2004?
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I'm not a repairman. I have worked on/replaced parts in my washers before. Could the dogs be worn enough to give the slop noise/ http://www.fixya.com/support/t249676...loader_agitate

http://www.ask.com/web?am=broad&q=wh...pclid=&af=&_=1

http://www.appliancerepair.net/washi...-repair-4.html

https://www.repairave.com/washerrepair_wpl_agitator.asp

Let us know if it helped, hope so.

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Hello Everyone,

boman47k, I'd like to say it's the 2004 model, but it's actually either 1984, or 85... I know exactly what ring you're talking about. Everybody's asleep, right now, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow before I can pop it open and check it out. Everybody has been sick at my house (except me), so I haven't had my friend come over, but hoping to try to get him over, tomorrow.

Also, I tried to attach that video (my washer agitating, and spinning, without water - I wanted to wait until my friend got here before filling the tank up with water again, so I don't waste anymore water, than necessary - ugly drought going on, right now, here in California) again, but it's too big... I will have to try to set up a YouTube acct like yours (maybe tomorrow).

Gary in WA, I think you might have just caught the last page of this saga (The first page starts out with a user/poster named "bucksone", but I kinda glommed onto his post because I have the exact same model & problem). My washer has a single, solid, agitator, and therefore , to the best of my knowledge, has no agitator dogs. But I appreciate the thought! Feel free to peruse the rest of the posts to see what bowman47k, and myself, have come up with, so far, and what I have already tried.

As always, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH!!!!

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Ok, looks like tomorrow for my friend's visit/diagnosis, but I took the chasis and top, snap-on ring off, and it appears that the balance ring is built-in to the tub, itself (see pics - excuse how nasty it looks, I don't think it has ever been removed...). There is only a top seam, and no seams, screws, or anything on the inside , or outside, that I can see or feel. Hmmm...
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Excuse how tiny the pics are, the forum limits are pretty small for getting any kind of detail.

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