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Old 11-11-2011, 04:58 AM   #31
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No..he is on here to call mech's crooks..he has a history.
A HISTORY? Where in my comment in this thread did I refer to mechanics as crooks? I mentioned poor engineering, and GM.
Sir, and I use that term loosely, I had a debate with you in ONE thread, ONE thread, concerning the integrity of some mechanics. My contention was that much of the work, by some, was either unnecessary or certainly could be put off to a later date. I provided an example, made my points, and even apologized to those group of mechanics who do honest work. Regarding said debate, I concluded that you are not part of that group.
To use the phrase "Thou protests to much" has drawn me to that conclusion.
In future, unless I directly refer directly to you, please ignore my posts. I will offer you the same courtesy.


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Old 11-11-2011, 05:06 AM   #32
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Master, I dont think hes trying to necessarily "slam"mechs- his point, even if you ARE the type that knows only to fill er up and press the pedal, no logic for Detroit (or Torino, or Leipseg, or.....) to go out of their way to make things hard- even for the pro's, eh? Like the $300 required to get in a new bulb- do you want a job like that? Would that add virtue to a pro mech's profession?
Well said. Thank you.
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Old 11-11-2011, 06:53 AM   #33
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No..he is on here to call mech's crooks..he has a history.
Why are you being so danged defensive anytime somebody questions the integrity of any mechanic?

I'll fully admit that some (many?) of the people in my profession are crooks and/or perverts, because I'm not. In a weird way, the lack of integrity by some only highlights the true integrity of others.


Now... The fact is, some (many?) mechanics are thieves and hacks. You can admit that that is true, because (I assume) you're not a thief or hack.
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Why are you being so danged defensive anytime somebody questions the integrity of any mechanic?

I'll fully admit that some (many?) of the people in my profession are crooks and/or perverts, because I'm not. In a weird way, the lack of integrity by some only highlights the true integrity of others.


Now... The fact is, some (many?) mechanics are thieves and hacks. You can admit that that is true, because (I assume) you're not a thief or hack.
Well said, and thank you.
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Old 11-11-2011, 03:10 PM   #35
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No..he is on here to call mech's crooks..he has a history.
Hmmm, I am not aware of this- but geez guys, why cant we all be budies here? heck, I for one should owe gratitude to the fellow members here, as yous have helped me out so many times with car issues........Just dont see how holding a grudge helps....oh well.
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:23 AM   #36
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Back to the $300.00 headlamp repair, most newer cars are designed with cleaner, smoother lines, thus in return you have less parts exposed. this in return makes it harder to do some external repairs (like remove headlamp assemblies for bulb replacement, or even some tail lamps) Besides most bulbs are designed to last 100,000 miles, so its not like a monthly repair. just my .02
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Old 11-14-2011, 05:36 AM   #37
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Back to the $300.00 headlamp repair, most newer cars are designed with cleaner, smoother lines, thus in return you have less parts exposed. this in return makes it harder to do some external repairs (like remove headlamp assemblies for bulb replacement, or even some tail lamps) Besides most bulbs are designed to last 100,000 miles, so its not like a monthly repair. just my .02
I agree it is not a monthly repair...but it still is a costly affair. My car has 10 bulbs in the front. Each side has a high beam, low beam, directional bulb, turning bulb, and a side marker bulb. (5 per side) So say in February my high beam goes ($300) in May my directional goes ($300) and maybe in November my side marker bulb goes ($300) It is conceivable I could pay close to $1000 or more in a year, just for lamps. Probably wouldn't happen, but I think you catch my point. This thread was started concerning the engineering of cars these days, and I really think this could have been done better. My wife's car is a 2008 Lacrosse and a bulb in it can be changed easily in about 5 minutes. Two bolts and the whole light assembly pulls forward.

Anyway, when I did my car, I replaced every bulb in the front end just in case. It is a job I don't want to do again any time soon.
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About 5 years ago, my 1994 Toyota light truck needed a new stereo head unit and speakers, to replace the hopeless Jap ones. Taking out the old stereo took nearly 5 hours, had to dismantle most of the dash to access the bolts. Then I examined the in-dash speakers I planned to replace, found that they are the first part to go into the cab; I gave up when I realised that the top section of the dashboard had to come out to access them, and to remove that required that the windscreen be removed! I ended up modifying the doors to take door mounted speakers, and managed to mount the replacement stereo so that it takes only 15 minutes to take out, not the 6 hours that the AM only Japanese device took to remove... Talking to the dealer I bought the truck from, he said that is typical of Toyota commercial; he once spent 8 hours removing (not including replacing) the stereo head unit of a Toyota Surf!!!
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About 5 years ago I decided to drop in a LT4 Hot cam in my 1994 Camaro Z28. Pretty complicated and big job but the single step that took the most time? Reinstalling the #2 spark plug. I think that one little task took about 4 hours of trial and error. You can't see the plug... in fact you can only maybe touch the tip with your longest finger if you find the right way to contort your body and arm. So to get a tool on it takes a lot of imagination and luck. Getting the new plug started w/o cross threading takes even more luck. The way GM designed it you almost needed to lift the motor. The rear lower plugs that you need to pull the exhaust to get at were a piece of cake in ncomparison.

And to concur with an earlier poster... I HATE plastic clips and fasteners, every one of which needs a different little trick to release.

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I would say it looks like Toyota has gotten better, on my 4runner I have to remove the lower radiator hose to get out the alternator. This means you need to completely drain the coolant...

Naturally both times i have needed to replace the alternator it's been in the winter and in the snow.

It a give and take though, some things like that Alt stink to replace other things like the fuel pump only take about 15 min thanks to a handy access panel in the rear floor.
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Now that is cool! No such luck with either of my vehicles (1994 Z28 and 2009 Toyota Tacoma). Many folks with Camaros take a jigsaw and cut out an opening to get at the FP instead of dropping the tank. I've not had to do that yet <knocking on wood>. I've heard that some folks with pickups pull the beds. I dunno... did an FP replacement on an old Chevy S10 and dropping the tank wasn't all that bad.

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haha this made me laugh. i used to do a lot of work on Toyota MR2's (engine swaps, transmission replacements and all other sort of maintenance when i had a pair of them) and wow, some of the things.... i needed kid hands to do. on the 3SGTE turbo engine there was a coolant hose for the temp guage. it was a $2 hose, about 4" long. but you basically had to remove the turbo and exhaust manifold to get to it. ugh. lots of bloody knuckles. the belts on maxima's suck trying to get to the tensioner bolt. no my father in laws 69 chevelle SS... lots of room to work haha.

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Yeah, probably half of all curse words were created by frustrated mechanics. I remember a "Driver" magazine back in my navy days that had a funny article on "exercises" to do to get ready to work on your car. One was to take a cheese grater to your knuckles to get used to the feeling of raw busted up hands. Another was to take a clothes iron to your arm to get used to getting burned by the exhaust pipes. Yet another was to get a large child wearing golf shoes (back when they had metal spikes!) to stand on your chest to get used to scraping yourself up on the car chassis.

Interesting about how different cars are engineered, too. I have a coworker that spent many hours during several days of on and off work to replace the timing belt on his VW Golf TDi. He said the same job on his Honda would have taken only 2 hours or so.
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Interesting about how different cars are engineered, too. .
And how they have changed over the years. I had a 67 Grand Prix...a land yacht by today's standards. There was so much room in the engine bay, everything was in easy reach. Now to just change plugs, you need to disconnect engine mounts, remove alternator, roll engine forward, or access underneath. (or take hours to remove just one plug) Hell, my current car doesn't have enough room in the engine bay for the battery. They put it under the back seat!.
I wish I had known of that cheese grater trick years ago.

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