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Old 06-07-2011, 09:14 PM   #31
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I would hope that prior to taking it in you would read the manual and try the gas cap. It's been in my last few cars. Check engine - check the gas cap.

From the tone I doubt that they hotrodded an Accord. But stranger things have happened.



No but I would hope most would be nice about it and say "you left the gas cap off. This one's on us, any more and we'll have to charge you". That's good customer service.


No - far easier and cheaper (when you factor in the time) to drop it off at the dealer and for $29 (without tire rotation) they change the oil, top off the fluids and do the "inspection". For $49 (or so) they do that + rotate the tires. Not worth my time or effort to do it myself any more. And if they screw it up, it's on them, no warranty issues.

I know I check it usually a day or so after I get it back and then sometime along the road. Never down to the add line.

The rest of the stuff I'll do myself as I can- that which does not require specialized tools. But for oil changes, just check it and go, change when they say to. Has worked for me as all my cars have had near or over 100k without any hint of engine issues. Been around cars for a long while now and would probably be turning wrenches if it were not for a career in IT.



I guess we've been lucky - the dealers the wife and I use are good. No issues with this. I doubt a dealer would routinely short change their customers. Not in their best interests long term....
ITGUY... I agree it is unusual and I am not saying that any of those things happened.. I hear 19... New Accord.... I just needed more info...

As far as the gas cap- I was at a dealership that had 2 big issues constantly- Gas cap and the thermostat light in the new beetle. Problem was if you came in and said "My check engine light and my thermostat light are on" then it was a service appointment. I thought the same thing in Why dont they do it as a courtesy and they explained 2 things - 1- The technician had to hook up the computer to diagnose the problem 2- The mechanic was now going to wait his turn to get another customer so if it is a slow day and they have 7 mechanics that means he had to wait for every other tech to get a customer before he could get another chance to make money... I agree that they should charge a diagnostic fee anytime they need to teach a customer to read... but that is just me.

The reason I say check the oil level the next day is that most of the oil change guys are the beginners... If they forget to just fill the oil can it could make a difference when you start the car. I know this because we had a guy at a dealership I managed that was new and did this to about 40 cars before we caught it. Every customer was notified both by phone and letter and were given a free oil change.... i still got my butt handed to me over and over for it.
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Old 06-11-2011, 05:39 PM   #32
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It sounds like the owner went to the wrong dealer. If the brake pads were still good then there was no wear to cause the rotor out of round. The dealer should have resurfaced the rotors under factory warranty. The check engine lamp due to spark plug failure and pcm reprogramming should also have been covered. Todays spark plugs are more than $7 napa speacials, they are iroduim tipped style plugs designed to last 7years and 110,000 miles, check your maintinance book. Also the fouled out spark plug they had to replace was from a PCM program that was not up to par. The update fixes the spark plug fouling problem. Wow, i can't believe the dealer charged you for this. Call your local Honda zone rep or that 1 800 number in the owners manuel, I wouldn't be surprised if you can't get reimbiersed for those repairs.

As for the oil consumption issue, depending on how often oil changes are made and how hard the son with a new I think V6 accord drives, it may have been ridden hard. Also due to government BS, newer cars have stupid maintaince minders that monitor oil changes, they can say up to 9 or 10 thousand miles between changes, stupid!!

As for earlier posts, how can anyone start comparing older cars to todays cars?? Today's EPA and government regulations have car companies scrambling to keep up with the new guide lines, sometimes causing more problems than needed.
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Old 06-11-2011, 05:54 PM   #33
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It sounds like the owner went to the wrong dealer. If the brake pads were still good then there was no wear to cause the rotor out of round. The dealer should have resurfaced the rotors under factory warranty. The check engine lamp due to spark plug failure and pcm reprogramming should also have been covered. Todays spark plugs are more than $7 napa speacials, they are iroduim tipped style plugs designed to last 7years and 110,000 miles, check your maintinance book. Also the fouled out spark plug they had to replace was from a PCM program that was not up to par. The update fixes the spark plug fouling problem. Wow, i can't believe the dealer charged you for this. Call your local Honda zone rep or that 1 800 number in the owners manuel, I wouldn't be surprised if you can't get reimbiersed for those repairs.

As for the oil consumption issue, depending on how often oil changes are made and how hard the son with a new I think V6 accord drives, it may have been ridden hard. Also due to government BS, newer cars have stupid maintaince minders that monitor oil changes, they can say up to 9 or 10 thousand miles between changes, stupid!!

As for earlier posts, how can anyone start comparing older cars to todays cars?? Today's EPA and government regulations have car companies scrambling to keep up with the new guide lines, sometimes causing more problems than needed.

Sorry this thread has my interest ... The original poster never said what was wrong with the ngine so I am not sure it was a plug and PCM... OP... Can you tell us what was wrong?
As far as plugs... be careful saying that... not all vehicles are running iridium plugs... In fact my Ram came with Copper and runs like crap on anything but them.... In fact all Hemi owners will say the same thing. I wont complain... cheaper tune up for me

Rotors- I would think that the driver rest his foot on the brake pedal causing excessive heat build up and warpage. I have seen this happen in less than 1000 miles. In fact I changed 2 sets of Rotors in my wifes car before she was broken of the habit. She went through 10 sets of Rotors in 9 years.
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Rotors- I would think that the driver rest his foot on the brake pedal causing excessive heat build up and warpage. I have seen this happen in less than 1000 miles. In fact I changed 2 sets of Rotors in my wifes car before she was broken of the habit. She went through 10 sets of Rotors in 9 years.
Good golly, I hear ya on that one!

I've long since become the "go to mechanic" for my wife's entire extended family. They're mostly a bunch of professional musicians and artists.

I am dumbfounded by how often they go through brakes - and how often they have warped rotors. It HAS TO BE the way they drive! I have driven the same truck for 14 years. For most of those years & miles, I was pulling a tandem-axle trailer with 4-6 mowers on it. I have replaced my front brakes and rotors ONCE in all that time.
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:26 PM   #35
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First of all, let me say that I am a certified mechanic. For over 45 years, I have worked a three new car dealerships and had my own business for many years before retirement.
The honda started missing and the dealership stated honda knew of the problem and there should be a recall. All sparkplugs were changed and the computer was reprogrammed.
My son is 40 years old and is a highwaypatrol man and this is not his first car. I think it would be stupid to ask him if he rides the brakes
However riding the brakes would most likely wear the lineing out as well as damage rotors.
The main cause of "warped rotors" is heat with quick cooling--like water spray or water submergement.
Many rotors that are diagnosed as warped are not, they have surface hard spots or imbedded brake pad material.
I have turned many rotors that gave the characteristic shudder that were checked with a dial indicator and they were not warped.
I am in agreement with the poster that stated honda had "paper thin rotors" and that is the problem
As far as sparkplugs are concerned---they were evidently not worn out, they were fouled. I don't know of any manufacturer today that recommends plug change at 35K miles
Plain and simple conclusion Honda is not the vehicle they used to be
My son and his wife now tell me they should have listened when I advised them not to buy a Honda
I would also like to add that I had a Chrysler Concord with 36,200 miles and paid for an extended warranty. It did exactly the same thing this Honda did--fouled all the plugs. Warranty did not cover the $247.00 charge even after I contacted Chyrsler Headquarters.
I have not owned a Chrysler product since, and never will again.
All this ripoff with warranties is a bunch of BS.
Sorry for the rant
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Sorry this thread has my interest ... The original poster never said what was wrong with the ngine so I am not sure it was a plug and PCM... OP... Can you tell us what was wrong?
As far as plugs... be careful saying that... not all vehicles are running iridium plugs... In fact my Ram came with Copper and runs like crap on anything but them.... In fact all Hemi owners will say the same thing. I wont complain... cheaper tune up for me

Rotors- I would think that the driver rest his foot on the brake pedal causing excessive heat build up and warpage. I have seen this happen in less than 1000 miles. In fact I changed 2 sets of Rotors in my wifes car before she was broken of the habit. She went through 10 sets of Rotors in 9 years.

Some where in an earlier post he said they replaced plugs and programed the PCM. I know Honda has a service bulletin for that exact issue, now maybe the repair was done before the bulletin came out, so the dealer charged him for the repairs. But the bulletin says its covered under 3yr/36000 warranty.

As for the plugs, I should have worded it different, I was refering to Honda plugs, I really don't know what all makes of new cars use. But honda uses the extended life more expensive plugs.

Regardless of why the rotors were out of round, if the pads were not worn out then it was not wear and tear issue, the dealer should have covered it under the warranty too.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:12 PM   #37
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First of all, let me say that I am a certified mechanic. For over 45 years, I have worked a three new car dealerships and had my own business for many years before retirement.
The honda started missing and the dealership stated honda knew of the problem and there should be a recall. All sparkplugs were changed and the computer was reprogrammed.
My son is 40 years old and is a highwaypatrol man and this is not his first car. I think it would be stupid to ask him if he rides the brakes
However riding the brakes would most likely wear the lineing out as well as damage rotors.
The main cause of "warped rotors" is heat with quick cooling--like water spray or water submergement.
Many rotors that are diagnosed as warped are not, they have surface hard spots or imbedded brake pad material.
I have turned many rotors that gave the characteristic shudder that were checked with a dial indicator and they were not warped.
I am in agreement with the poster that stated honda had "paper thin rotors" and that is the problem
As far as sparkplugs are concerned---they were evidently not worn out, they were fouled. I don't know of any manufacturer today that recommends plug change at 35K miles
Plain and simple conclusion Honda is not the vehicle they used to be
My son and his wife now tell me they should have listened when I advised them not to buy a Honda
I would also like to add that I had a Chrysler Concord with 36,200 miles and paid for an extended warranty. It did exactly the same thing this Honda did--fouled all the plugs. Warranty did not cover the $247.00 charge even after I contacted Chyrsler Headquarters.
I have not owned a Chrysler product since, and never will again.
All this ripoff with warranties is a bunch of BS.
Sorry for the rant
I would say that if you saw fouled plugs, then a compression test, leak down should have been the next step. Other things such as a clogged PCV should be looked at as well. That much oil usage is not what I have seen in most motors. However, some Honda's do use a bit of oil, especially Vtec's. My daughter's S2000 normal usage is a quart every 750-1000 miles.

As far as 30k change interval, on modern engines, it is more common than you would think. It comes down to the plug. Copper plugs do not last as long as platinum. I know the Chrysler 5.7L Hemi states to replace the copper plugs at 30K. If your son's motor has copper, then it wouldn't surprise me that 30k is the limit. Copper plugs are cheap ($2/ea.) and changing them is a fairly easy thing to do and will keep the performance of the motor humming.

As far as quality, Honda is near or at the top. I wouldn't base all Honda corp quality on one car.
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