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Old 08-17-2013, 08:15 PM   #16
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Okay now that have have that info what about a ford pick up love the older bodies late 80's looking at three of them some are straight 6 and then there's a few with 302's ??? Thought???
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It depends on where you located. Alot of stoplights and traffic automatic. If not... Price would dictate.
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The 6 is within 3 cubic inches of the V-8. It has mire more torque, and you'll get better mileage with the 6.

That being said, the 6 has had high mileage problems with rod knocking...and you'll want to block off the EGR, or put a piece of sheet metal in there with a small hole much improves driveability.

If it had the 5-speed manual: it's a Mazda sourced unit. The transmissions are very reliable, but have had problems leaking top coves, and worn shift forks.

The good news is that you cab pull back the carpet or rubber floor mat, and fix all those problems inside the truck cab.

If you do that, take the top cover to a trans shop. Have them seal the leaking ports, replace the fork, and replace the bushings in the shifter.

It'll shift then like a brand new truck. Before you reattach the top cover, fill it with new Mercon ATF (that's what the manual trans uses (the F-150 5- speed) from that era.
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Thank you royal awesome info
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+1

That is some insider information right there from someone that has turned wrenches on a just a few of them.
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If things like "too many traffic lights" even enter your brain, a manual just isn't for you. If you drive them enough, they should be second nature, unless you have arthritis in your left leg or something. I sit in traffic a lot, I don't really notice the shifting part.

I DO notice when I'm driving an auto and can't merge onto the highway cuz the stupid things won't shift. I'll always have a manual on my CAR as long as they still keep making them.

THAT SAID, for a truck? Especially one with plenty of engine? Meh. I like having stick for the control it gives you over an engine that might otherwise be lacking, so a truck with a larger engine? I'd be fine with auto.
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Much less hassle with manual. More reliable. Much easier to repair. Under proper maintenance, they will overlast any automatic. More fun to drive. Much easier on repairs. Overall vehicle lighter weight=better mpg. Manual will still outperform automatic on mpg.
You eventually get tired of shifting.
Getting stuck, UPHILL, in stop and go traffic is a challenge.
Stopping at red light, on a 15% uphill, winter time, well......
Right. Whoever said an AT will outlast a manual - not accurate information. yes, if you grind gears/actually grinding synchros, not gears, burn out the clutch/ride the clutch (a family member of mine does that- when I pointed it out to him he said "who cares")- you will destroy your manual trans in <30,000 miles. yet, if you hammer the gas pedal at every green light, or procrastinate on changing AT fluid (a tedious and expensive maintenence)your AT will not last.

Also, Do you trust that auto to not break unexpectedly?? If so, you do not understand auto trannys. I will never trust ANY AT driving anywhere, especially with family, on a long trip. It is the second most expensive device to repair in any motor vehicle. Why gamble.

resale value?? Thats a joke. First, MT's are cheaper to begin with. Does anyone expect to gain monetary value when one spent less on that vehicle in the first place? isnt that concept get something for nothing?

The only disadvantage a MT has is in stop/go traffic- thats it. an AT wil be nicer to your left calf muscle........
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Lol right on, I like manuals there fun.. And cheaper to fix..
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I always loved a manual trans----

As the only 'odd ball' with a manual, I have had the pleasure of teaching many people how to use a clutch----

If any of you ever taught a new driver how to shift,you know the feeling----listening to your car being abused by a nervous newbie as they figure out how to start and stop---

The easiest student was a young female friend---The parking lot I chose was covered with an inch of snow---so the wheels would spin instead of stalling the engine----She was shifting like a pro in no time----Mike---
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Lol they are fun..
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I have always generally preferred Manuals. The 6-speed in my '04 mustang (cobra) is what sealed the deal when I bought it back in 04.

Having said that.... They both have there place, and their own pros/cons.

A manual tranny won't (typically) be cheaper if you don't drive it correctly. Most TO bearing are killed by drivers 'riding' the clutch, leaving their left foot resting on the pedal. This causes constant spinning of the TO bearing, which WILL wear it out. Also clutch abuse, slipping and burning the clutch will give you bad results in the long turn.

Generally, I think MTs are more straight fwd and easier to understand.

Somebody made a comment about fuel econemy. Very hard to compare apples-to-apples. Most cars have different gearing for auto vs manual models, and many people don't know how to drive a MT properly. Hot Dog around and spin the RPM up to redline at every light, and ....NO, you wont get decent mileage. Most modern electronic trannys actually 'lock' up input/output shafts when you are in highway cruising mode. So none of the old school slippage and much less parasitic loss. BUT..... You are still spinning a torque converter, T-fluid pump, and dragging about 70-100 lb of extra weight. So, when you consider all factors, there is really NO WAY an auto tranny can give you better mileage in a true heads-up comparison.

I really HATE auto trannys in used cars. You have NO idea how its been treated, and how long it will last. And they can be VERY expensive to replace.
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Unrelated to this thread...but a true story....

A few years ago I rolled up on an armed robbery in progress....I just happened to be in the same area as the get-away car....guys came around the corner....saw me....said "oh sh!t"...and went the other way...because of traffic, it took me a min to get around to the other side...what I found out was that two of them tried to carjack a couple of cars in the parking lot...both had sticks.....the numb nuts couldn't drive a manual....

I caught two of them a short time later in a wash...the dog found the 3rd one in a nursery.....the hard way.....I've never seen a happier dog....they guy was hurting....I guess he didn't believe them when they told him to come out or the dog would bite him....
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We went on a trip to France back in May and of course I had to check out the cars. There were *very* few trucks and SUVs, really almost non-existent. And you could walk for blocks looking into the cars before you'd spot one with an automatic. Those are the oddballs over there. Probably about a third to half of the cars were diesels, too.

I love the 6-speed manual in my Camaro... with its seriously overdrive ratio in 6th you are doing 84 mph @ 2000 rpm :-). Bullet proof so far at 110k miles. But I have an auto in my daily driver Toyota Tacoma. Too much traffic here to deal with a manual on a daily basis. Its 5-speed auto feels very solid, although I haven't towed anything with it.


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What about a manual truck?? Is this better or worse, for towing???
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