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Old 11-09-2013, 02:49 PM   #16
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Heh, BMW... Bleed My Wallet.

I've had several and they all ended up being blackholes sucking money. They're great fun to drive for 3-4 years, but when things start to approach service time... SELL.
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Old 11-09-2013, 05:56 PM   #17
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Heh, BMW... Bleed My Wallet.

I've had several and they all ended up being blackholes sucking money. They're great fun to drive for 3-4 years, but when things start to approach service time... SELL.
LOL!! Seriously, even for a DIYer like me- you?? Cmon, cant be that bad.......
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Old 11-09-2013, 05:59 PM   #18
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first off....welcome to the "club" of bmw owners and electrical fun...

the chilton you have is probably scant, in terms of good usable info, so get a bentley manual.

http://www.bentleypublishers.com/bmw...ir-manual.html

theyre not cheap, but you should be able to get one new off amazon for a decent price, or used on fleabay. the above link shows hardcover....not sure why, as mine for my e36 is softcover, and when i got it i think it was around 50 bucks new.

you might be able to get trouble codes through the radio display, not sure if that works on the e90s, google would be your friend in that case.

you didnt say what forum you tried, but if it wasnt bimmerforums.com, give that a shot. before you post any question, check out the stickied/parked threads for info

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...90-E91-E92-E93)

if you dont see anything there, then do a search for the issues. word of warning though, the search function on that site is a PITA, very hard to drill down to specific things, so be prepared to wade through a lot of posts.

if you do figure out what the problem is, say some sensor(s), do NOT get anything from car quap, retard auto parts, autozoneout, etc. only get genuine bmw stuff.

theres several places to get oe parts at good prices, no need to go to the stealer and get hosed unless it's something you gotta have like yesterday.

RM european, autohauzAZ, the bmw parts store, turner motorsport, bimmerworld, tischer bmw ( they go by getbmwparts.com ) pelican parts, to name a few. some of them offer free shipping on orders over X amount, say 75 or 100 dollars.

lastly, if you havent been to it before, cozy up to realoem.com

that site breaks down your car ( enter the last 7 of the VIN ) into all the various sections showing parts, what they are, where they go, and bmw part numbers. take the part numbers and plug them into the above sites to see what they cost, makes it soooooo much easier than trying to find them by name.

good luck!
Thnaks, Dogs- much useful info/links/resources! God tip on buying genuine. Does the bentley manual have good pictures like haynes? Thats one thing about Haynes- cant beat their quality photos. Soo helpful. Chilton is scant, like you said.

Update- I thinking I ned new battery, to start. Then go from there. I got a good mechanic and hes helping me with his NAPA scanner. Hope to have it all fixed by say, next wek sometime. I will let yous know!!
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Old 11-09-2013, 06:02 PM   #19
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LOL!! Seriously, even for a DIYer like me- you?? Cmon, cant be that bad.......
Yes, they're that bad. The 80's an earlier ones were reasonably serviceable DIY, but the current ones often end up requiring specialized tools or gizmos. All of which are money-sucking nightmares. I love the cars, they're great, but once things start going bad you want to get out from under them, quick.
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Yes, they're that bad. The 80's an earlier ones were reasonably serviceable DIY, but the current ones often end up requiring specialized tools or gizmos. All of which are money-sucking nightmares. I love the cars, they're great, but once things start going bad you want to get out from under them, quick.
Good to know your opinion, of course- perspectives are useful. If I can diverge slightly -

But, BM's are, like you said, nice cars. Why would one dump one just after 4 or or years?? Talk about taking a depreciation hit. What do you do then- buy another new BM? A new cadillac? Then dump the caddy after 4 years likewise? Do you think that is a smart economical approach to car ownership?

I wish I had control over how thay build cars these days- so much nonsense catering to the stupid end user - "must haves" like bluetooth/parallel parking cams/sensors for dumb stuff like tire presure, etc etc etc. One dumb BM gadget introduced was the "mileagepergallonmeter". It was the height of the oil price market- mid 2008, they dumped the engine temp meter and replaced with the MPG meter. sheesh, pandering to people that know nothing about driving, period. Also, no more oil dip stick. Cmon. I bet 99++% of drivers never even read a book dedicated to driving a car, and know nothing of the REAL driving risks.

BM's of today?? hey, yes, I wish they were the more simple cars of yesterday. But, kerney, what are we gonna do? Buy a new Jap car?? Like they have the same pedigree/quality/driving experience..........
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:40 PM   #21
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My brother has a BMW habit but on a Toyota budget so he gets them used and they are always an aggravating $$ sinkhole, but he doesn't seem to mind. The electronics are a mess... I don't think I've ever seen one more than a few years old that didn't have one or more warning lights permanently on for no apparent reason.
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My friend a few doors down is a BMW master tech. After hearing some of his stories about what goes wrong with the newer bm's, and what it takes and costs to fix them, it would be the last car I would want to own. Way too many computers and electronics. Half his time is spent reprogramming cars or diagnosing them with a computer. Not a real mechanic's type car that should be fun to work on. Buying oem parts is good advice. The cheapsh@t stuff doesn't seem to work on many of the higher end cars. Good luck, let us know what you find.
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:15 PM   #23
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It's either take the depreciation 'hit' or likely spend MORE money (and aggravation/time) on repairs.

Me, I drive a 13mpg beast of a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 5.7 Hemi. Sure, it doesn't corner like a bimmer, but straight line it beats the pants off anything else I have to deal with day to day. That and it climbs trails like a monkey in trees. Don't use that all the time, of course, but it's traction control makes for great off-the-line performance in wet conditions. Nice part is it doesn't ride like a truck. A few bits of suspension changes have done nice things to tighten up it's handling (not a lift, don't need it).

Last thing BMW made that caught my interest was the 850i, but that was stupid expensive. Everything else has been, meh... just another sedan or an ill-fitting SUV. I agree, none of the asian imports hold any appeal for me either. They always end up cheaping out somewhere obvious in the passenger compartment. At least with Detroit stuff it's consistent (not always good or bad). Same thing with most Euro imports, they're interiors tend to at least have everything at the same level of expense. But that' just me being picky, but for what they cost these days, I damn sure will be!
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:36 PM   #24
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good to know, people. thanks for all imputs. Update: bought a new battery- an AGM. Gonna have it instaled and "registered". Sheesh- register a battery- never woulda figured. Seems thats the lingo they use- you have to tell the cars comnputer you have a new battery, so it will charge it just right, I understand.

Yup- my 87 sunbird- still running, still easy to fix. I will probably still have that after the BM......
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Ah, but not much beats the BMW suspension, brakes and steering.

Never heard about "registering" a battery. I can't believe you can not just replace it. What happens if you are on the road in podunk town and need a battery? Surely you can replace it and carry on.
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I had to google it... here is an interesting thread.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=567915
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Thats a great link, ray!! I tried to search there and couldnd find anything! So much good info- now Im convinced, I gotta register it, to do things right, and not try to outsmart BM engineers cuz I think Im smarter. Thing is- I hope my mech with his high end snap on computer could do this- otherwise, I will cal around and ask maybe one of the local "German " car shops which cater to these cars- NEVER the dealer!!!
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Ah, but not much beats the BMW suspension, brakes and steering.
And how!! Brakes are out of this world. Interior quality is so exceptional. Not to mention, so much HP and 0-60 acceleration (5.6 seconds) for such a "small" engine- no one can match it and at the same time, deliver relatively great gas mileage. Exterior, tasteful sculptured beauty too.

How do they do it.
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If it was me I wouldn't bother registering it, especially if it costs anything to do, to prevent a small theoretical impact to battery life. Any tweaks the car makes to the charging profile have to be tiny and I would think that individual battery variables might be more significant. To me it sounds like something BMW did because they can, not necessarily because it was anything that needed to be done.

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Thats a great link, ray!! I tried to search there and couldnd find anything! So much good info- now Im convinced, I gotta register it, to do things right, and not try to outsmart BM engineers cuz I think Im smarter. Thing is- I hope my mech with his high end snap on computer could do this- otherwise, I will cal around and ask maybe one of the local "German " car shops which cater to these cars- NEVER the dealer!!!
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There's something to be said for when engineers are left to endlessly tweak things. The little gains must certainly have numbers backing them up. Trouble is those same engineers don't always know enough to run the numbers on how negatively their actions may impact customer satisfaction. Little stuff like this adds up to a lot of negative opinions from owners to other potential owners. As in, one owner might love the car but his friends pick up on the niggling 'death of a thousand service calls' he has to go through... and steer clear of the brand entirely. All because some engineer thought it would be clever to make the electrical system "smarter".
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