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Old 03-16-2013, 07:58 PM   #16
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I have read a fair amount on those Honda trans missions. As noquacks has pointed out those transmissions are not without problems. The filter clogging is actually not the problem with those trannys. The problem is they are just complete junk. People have redone those trannys every way possible, external filters, coolers and all, and they are still just complete junk. Sorry Honda, I got out from under my Honda before the tranny went.

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Definately change the fluid and filter. 135k miles isn't much at all.

How often are you supposed to change the fluid and filter in an automatic? (I only drive stick).
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If you guys are gonna respond to someone asking a question. Know what your talking about. That trans does not have a serviceable filter. All you should do is a drain and fill. Use only Honda fluid. And NEVER NEVER use a flush machine. It will take exactly 2 1/2 qts to refill once you drain it and then do it every 30 k after that.
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Mj12. The transmissions were really bad in the accords from 1998 to 2002. Not all were bad. But they sure had there problems with the accords. ( more so v6 ). And the odyssey In that yr range. Most all others were really bullet proof
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I had a 2001 civic it seemed it was the 2001 that was the biggest problem in the bunch. I checked all over the country and many many 2001 civic were for sale with bad transmissions. But I found many with over 200,000 miles. I had a lot of Honda people test drive the car and a very knowledgeable guy drove it down the road and said, sell this car the tranny is going to dump. He said it was shifting in a way he knew it was going to dump. My hondas from the 70-90;s were bullet proof, it is too bad really.
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the 4r100 in my 7.3 diesel went over 300k miles without any fluid change, no issues.
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the 4r100 in my 7.3 diesel went over 300k miles without any fluid change, no issues.
My 2000 Buick Lesabre was traded in with 270k and never had the fluid changed. I bought it new, so I know it was never changed. No issues. A mechanic once told me that if the car is not towing trailers, not abused, and the fluid is not discolored or smell, then the fluid never needs replacing.
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My 2000 Buick Lesabre was traded in with 270k and never had the fluid changed. I bought it new, so I know it was never changed. No issues. A mechanic once told me that if the car is not towing trailers, not abused, and the fluid is not discolored or smell, then the fluid never needs replacing.
I agree. I changed the fluid in many transmissions when I worked in a shop but never in one of my vehicles.
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If you guys are gonna respond to someone asking a question. Know what your talking about. That trans does not have a serviceable filter. All you should do is a drain and fill. Use only Honda fluid. And NEVER NEVER use a flush machine. It will take exactly 2 1/2 qts to refill once you drain it and then do it every 30 k after that.
This guy is right on, the filter is internal to the transmission (on that particular vehicle) and is not readily serviceable. And I cannot stress enough what he said "NEVER NEVER use a flush machine." Just my opinion and seemingly someone else's as well.

My automatic transmission service consists of draining the pan which gets maybe 20-30% of the fluid out (most of the fluid stays in the torque convertor), and fill through the dipstick tube the same amount drained. I do this 4 times, running the car for a few miles in between drain and replace intervals.
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My 2000 Buick Lesabre was traded in with 270k and never had the fluid changed. I bought it new, so I know it was never changed. No issues. A mechanic once told me that if the car is not towing trailers, not abused, and the fluid is not discolored or smell, then the fluid never needs replacing.
I also have an uncle that has a Ford F-250 V-10 with an automatic transmisson that has 260,000+ miles and has never changed the fluid. He has personal experience with flushing transmissions and refuses to do so unless the fluid smells burnt.

I prefer to drain the pan and replace on my vehicles but to each their own.
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the 4r100 in my 7.3 diesel went over 300k miles without any fluid change, no issues.
Consider yourself lucky. Those trannys are known for clogging filters, and starving the rear sections of oil until they are fried. Good rebuilders drill the oil ports larger in those and install higher volume pumps just to prevent a relapse.
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I do this 4 times, running the car for a few miles in between drain and replace intervals.
Wow.... I changed my trany fluid once on a new Monte Carlo I purchased when I was a lot younger. What a crap job doing it just once, but four times.
Whew..you have a lot of dedication.
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EAch of those four times only takes me 10-15 minutes to drain the transmission pan and refill. Doesn't seem that bad to me, by the time it's done and the ATF is ready for another 40k miles I have about an hour and a half into the change with driving in between pan drains to get the new fluid mixed. Maybe you misunderstood me? I do have a lift which makes thing nice.
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I do have a lift which makes thing nice.
Yes, it certainly would. I remember jacking up my car so I could get underneath, taking the pan off, and spilling fluid all over my Dad's brand new garage floor in my parent's new house. He was good about it, but I never changed fluid again in any of my vehicles. I have removed the transmission and engine in my little two seater toy, and that was fun compared to the fluid change job. Geeeee, I want a lift. Have to talk to my wife.:laug hing:
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Yes, it certainly would. I remember jacking up my car so I could get underneath, taking the pan off, and spilling fluid all over my Dad's brand new garage floor in my parent's new house. He was good about it, but I never changed fluid again in any of my vehicles. I have removed the transmission and engine in my little two seater toy, and that was fun compared to the fluid change job. Geeeee, I want a lift. Have to talk to my wife.:laug hing:
I don't have to remove the pan on my vehicles, the manufacturers had the foresight to put drains in all of the drivetrain (tranny, x-fer case, diff, etc). Something that a lot (not all) of American manufacturers fail to do

Yes having a lift is very nice, all of us brothers and my dad work on our vehicles so it gets enough use between us all. Really when one thinks about it, and can get a few others to help pay for a $3,000 lift, it pays for itself pretty quick.

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