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Old 01-05-2009, 12:01 AM   #16
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LanterDan;207128]If you must know, I'm a research scientist at one of the Naval Surface Warfare Centers. So yeah, my laser experience has been in a much difference venue, and to be honest I don't work with them as much as I used to either. But sorry if I'm giving bad advice.
then you obviously will understand that damage may not be immediately noticable. It may simply cause scar tissue which will affect eyesight later in life.

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That said, I don't think installing a drop ceiling from lift is a very typical diy project.
No, they usually use a ladder at home projects but the point is, you still will be in the lasers beam when doing it.

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All the laser goggles I've worn leak around the edges, and I don't care what I'm doing, I ain't ever intentionally sticking my head in the beam path.
Well guy. I do work construction and I sure wish I had that option. Since I don't, I take whatever precautions I can to prevent injury.

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Anyway thekctermite's first response was correct, for a IIIA laser a diffuse reflection is harmless so all you need to do to make sure you don't accidently take the beam to your eye.
we already went through this.

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And yes for some, and possiblye all to be safe, jobs laser wearing laser googles should be one the things you do to ensure this. Just be advised that seeing the beam now becomes a problem.
It seems I deal with carpenters all the time that use the proper gear and still get their job done. Must be some way to do it.


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I have accuatlly been told that OHSA has the right to enforce safety regs on diy projects for which a permit is required.
Well, lets see OCCUPATIONAL health and safety

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I'm a little skeptical of this,
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but someone I know claims to have received a stern lecture on fall protection from an OHSA inspector when they did a roof a while back and that was they told him.
a lecture is far from issuing a citation. Maybe he just wanted the guy to work safe.

ask and ye shall recieve.

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...ONS&p_id=24997

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Question (1)(a): Scenario: A homeowner has no employees. The homeowner contracts with several specialty contractors (such as foundation, framing, roofing, plumbing and electrical contractors) to perform the construction activities necessary to construct or expand a home. Would the homeowner be considered a controlling employer under the Multi-Employer Worksite Policy?

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Pursuant to Section 5 of the Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSH Act), the requirements of the OSH Act and its implementing standards apply to "employer[s]." Under Section 3 of the OSH Act, "employer" is defined as:
a person engaged in a business affecting commerce who has employees...
Typically, a homeowner will not meet this statutory definition of an "employer."

In addition, a homeowner who contracted with independent contractors normally would not get involved in supervising/controlling any of the contractors' employees. That being the case, the contractor's employees would not be considered employees of the homeowner. Therefore, the requirements of the OSH Act and its implementing standards would not apply to the homeowner.

Question (1)(b): Same scenario as in Question (1)(a), with the added fact that the homeowner has expertise in construction safety (for instance, due to the homeowner being a construction safety professional). Does the fact that the homeowner has such expertise affect the answer?

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No, as long as the homeowner does not meet the statutory definition of an "employer." Also, the fact that the homeowner is knowledgeable about construction safety does not make the homeowner responsible for supervising or controlling a subcontractor's employees.

Now you have the correct answer, just as with the laser protection. What a person does with the info is up to them.

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Old 01-05-2009, 02:03 PM   #17
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Random visits? Maybe they better check the laws that apply to random visits.

as a well informed poster here, I actually am offended you would suggest disregarding safety information. OSHA may not apply to a homeowner but the reasons for the rules do.

Ayuh, on residential construction sites, OSHA showing up is becoming more and more frequent. I assure you, it happens all the time, and it is not scheduled and there is no warning given. I can tell you exactly what the guy in my area drives (dark green GMC envoy), and people know to look for him. He gets the video from down the street and then go onto the job. Most residential crews don't have people that know OSHA rules so they don't even know their rights. A local construction safety/OSHA compliance company's business blossomed 3 or 4 years ago when they started actively doing impromptu residential checks.

Yes, the reasons for OSHA rules are based on good practice. But, if you know as much about OSHA rules as you act like you do, I'm shocked that you would seemingly suggest that their rules should be rigidly followed by DIYers.

Sorry you choose to be offended. I'm certainly an advocate of good solid safety practices, but I'm a stronger proponent of good old common sense. For example, don't stare into the laser!
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And for the record, OSHA does not have the right to enforce its rules and standards on DIY work, permit or not. If you hire a plumber, framer, electrician, ditch digger, or HVAC guy for your project, that plumber must comply, because it is his or his employees' occupation.
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And for the record, OSHA does not have the right to enforce its rules and standards on DIY work, permit or not. If you hire a plumber, framer, electrician, ditch digger, or HVAC guy for your project, that plumber must comply, because it is his or his employees' occupation.
this was stated in the letter I linked and quoted.

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, I'm shocked that you would seemingly suggest that their rules should be rigidly followed by DIYers.
Is there some reason a DIY'er should work any less safely than a pro? Is the DIY'ers life any less valuable?
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Is there some reason a DIY'er should work any less safely than a pro? Is the DIY'ers life any less valuable?
We've both stated our cases. No further drama is necessary.

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