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Old 09-03-2013, 08:39 PM   #1
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I've used Gardz but neither of the other 2. Has anyone else used them?

I saw Roman Rx-35 (aka PRO-999) at Home Depot today and it appeared to be the same thing - they had it applied to some samples of damaged drywall and it looked the same. There was a Behr rep who happened to be there and I asked him if he knew anything about Roman and he hadn't used it, but he pointed me to Klear and said that worked well for less money than Gardz.

Roughly the prices look like:
Gardz $25 (varies)
Rx-35 $25
Klear $15 I think

He opened the Rx-35 and Klear cans for me and all 3 products look the same in the can (which is to say, about like skim milk). All supposedly dry clear like Gardz.

The only difference in what they claim on the container is that Rx-35 doesn't mention wallpaper paste residue, while the other 2 do. However the Roman website does say it seals paste residue.

They all appear to be the same thing so I'm hoping to hear something good about Klear at that price.

http://www.rustoleum.com/en/product-...surface-sealer

http://www.romandecoratingproducts.c...primers/rx-35/

http://www.kilz.com/primer/v/index.j...00216310acRCRD

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Interesting. Never heard of the other two, but when anybody finds a niche that works you know the others are scrambling to copy it. Will keep an eye open for them.

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Never heard of the other two either. I sure like Gardz so my trust level is very high with that product. I don't have to use it too often, but, when I do, I am 100% sure it's going to do the job. Any Kilz product is just ok.
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From the Kilz website:
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flexible and breathable film to offer years of service
I believe the breathable part makes it no good for wallpaper residue. Breathable means moisture can get to the paste and activate it again.
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I also have never used the other 2 but somewhere I just read a review on the Rx-35 may have been on paint talk but it didn't get too good a write up and the clear I have never heard of. The old oil kilz was good but I really don't like their WB. Gardz is a great product but it can be hard to find and hard to get.
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Yeah, that's the other thing besides the price - Klear looks like a new product, but probably very soon it's going to be a lot easier to find than Gardz.
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RX-35 is OK for a wall paper primer, not as good as Gardz for what it does( sealing drywall and paste residue)
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Maybe Klear would be a good basic primer/sealer for bare drywall or patches?
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RX-35 is OK for a wall paper primer, not as good as Gardz for what it does( sealing drywall and paste residue)
We refer to it as, GLUE!
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ha ha, I was reading those manufacturer websites looking for the word glue, but could only find paste or adhesive....
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it is very glue like, for sure
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I tried the Klear yesterday. One minor point I got wrong in the OP - I never did look in the Klear can in the store. He just told me it looked the same. I only looked in the Rx-35 can. The Klear actually is a bit different - it has a beige color - more like soy milk. Dries clear though, of course. It also has an ammonia smell, which I really don't like. It's advertised as exterior as well as interior, which I guess explains that.

I covered a large drywall patch - 3' x 6'. It went on like Gardz. If anything, it seemed smoother than Gardz, which I guess could be a good thing but in this case when I painted over it, it was so smooth the roller wouldn't even turn in some places. It had no grip. I hate that roller slide. I was using a 6" roller and sometimes there are differences in how they turn - I could have gotten a tight one, who knows. So that's just one anecdotal experience, but I would have liked more grip. Sealing looks to be good - no sheen issues on the first coat at all (ProMar 200 eggshell).

At about $16 it's about 3 bucks more than Kilz's standard white sealer (Kwik Start, which I also haven't used.)
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Reading the data sheet- Kilz Max Clear is:
KILZ MAX® Clear helps block severe stains and odors

Sounds like an alternative to BIN more than Gardz. Makes no claim for high adhesion either.

Different purpose altogether than Gardz, which is not a stain killer at all, but a sealer/ vapor barrier.
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That's the wrong product. It's not Kilz Max Clear, it's Kilz Klear.

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I was at SW and they carry Rx-35. You should get a discount if you have an account there.

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