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Old 06-22-2010, 12:03 PM   #16
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The Thompson Water Seal (with natrual cedar tint) did the same thing on my deck after one winter.

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Old 06-22-2010, 04:49 PM   #17
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I had the same issue a few years ago with the same product and colour. I prepped the deck properly and after the first winter, it started to peel.

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Thompson's isn't any good. Mine looked the same way when I bought my house (175 feet of deck)! Power washed is all off, sanded it real nice, lots and LOTS of work. Then I used Rymar. Really expensive but worth every penny when you figure in your time. Also you have to hit it with at least two coats and back brush it so its no small job. With Thompson's and the others you will be doing it every year. I'm on year three and mine still looks fine so really when you figure it all out (time plus buying stain every year) it really is cheaper.

I was so impressed I also did my cedar siding. It cost me some major $$$ but I'm happy with it.
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Yeah, but some things are worth bringing up again.... what ever happened to your deck?
Did you take a broom to it and sweep the rest of that garbage off?

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Yeah, but some things are worth bringing up again.... what ever happened to your deck?
Did you take a broom to it and sweep the rest of that garbage off?

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LOL. I never mentioned in this thread that the fence was done the same time the deck was by the original homeowners and it was just as bad. I ended up going after the fence last summer instead of the deck. I blasted the hell out of it with a power washer. I only damaged a very small area in a couple spots. Me and the girlfriend (mostly me) then went around with a bunch of sanding blocks getting all the loose chips and stuff off the fence. 6 Gallons of Pittsburg Sunproof and it looks great. I actually had the girlfriend out for a while rolling ahead of me with me backbrushing. I would have went with oil but after power washing there was still 50% of the latex stain left on the fence and never ever ever put oil based stain over latex. Total time was 3 full days.

The deck will be tackled this summer. I will strip the deck boards and use Sikkens oil but the spindels are in good shape so I may leave them or just give them another coat of Latex.
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LOL. I never mentioned in this thread that the fence was done the same time the deck was by the original homeowners and it was just as bad. I ended up going after the fence last summer instead of the deck. I blasted the hell out of it with a power washer. I only damaged a very small area in a couple spots. Me and the girlfriend (mostly me) then went around with a bunch of sanding blocks getting all the loose chips and stuff off the fence. 6 Gallons of Pittsburg Sunproof and it looks great. I actually had the girlfriend out for a while rolling ahead of me with me backbrushing. I would have went with oil but after power washing there was still 50% of the latex stain left on the fence and never ever ever put oil based stain over latex. Total time was 3 full days.

The deck will be tackled this summer. I will strip the deck boards and use Sikkens oil but the spindels are in good shape so I may leave them or just give them another coat of Latex.
I can tell from looking at the condition that wood that it sat uncoated for many a hot sunny day prior to that coat of stain. I would highly suggest, at the cost of another coating failure, that the horizontals get a thorough sanding. That's the primary reason that coat failed as it did. UV damaged wood can not hold a stain, and powerwashing alone does not solve the problem.
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The deck will be tackled this summer. I will strip the deck boards and use Sikkens oil but the spindels are in good shape so I may leave them or just give them another coat of Latex.
Good luck with that....Sikkens doesnt make a solid oil anymore They switched to a "hybrid" formula. Seems to be doing pretty well, this will be my 3rd or 4th year selling it, and so far no complaints.

They still offer an oil Transparent stain, and introduced a "hybrid" transparent late last season.
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JS's post FINALLY hit on the main reason that coating didn't hold...

NO/LITTLE sanding.

From what I can see under the peeled coating, the wood itself wouldn't have held much of anything...for long.

You can have the cleanest deck on the planet...p-washed/stripped/neutralized/brightened/magic powder/whatever.............

If it's not sanded occasionally, IT WON'T HOLD SQUAT....FOR LONG.

It's literally that simple.

(sorry I'm so vague about this...)

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Good luck with that....Sikkens doesnt make a solid oil anymore They switched to a "hybrid" formula. Seems to be doing pretty well, this will be my 3rd or 4th year selling it, and so far no complaints.

They still offer an oil Transparent stain, and introduced a "hybrid" transparent late last season.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I would never put a solid stain on a walking surface.

"I can tell from looking at the condition that wood that it sat uncoated for many a hot sunny day prior to that coat of stain. I would highly suggest, at the cost of another coating failure, that the horizontals get a thorough sanding. That's the primary reason that coat failed as it did. UV damaged wood can not hold a stain, and powerwashing alone does not solve the problem."

When you have massive sections peel like that, you will have sun damage in no time in the peeled sections. If I peel back a new section on that deck you will see the wood is in good shape.
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I would never put a solid stain on a walking surface.

"I can tell from looking at the condition that wood that it sat uncoated for many a hot sunny day prior to that coat of stain. I would highly suggest, at the cost of another coating failure, that the horizontals get a thorough sanding. That's the primary reason that coat failed as it did. UV damaged wood can not hold a stain, and powerwashing alone does not solve the problem."

When you have massive sections peel like that, you will have sun damage in no time in the peeled sections. If I peel back a new section on that deck you will see the wood is in good shape.
Why not put a solid stain on a walking surface?

Research UV and lignin. Any wood that is exposed to UV for any length of time requires a sanding to remove damaged wood fibers. I believe the lack of understanding of that fact is a major contributor to deck failure where people complain about the deck product. I'll bet if you had a picture of that deck before it was done last, the fail pattern would pretty close to what it is now. And, the areas that aren't failed would have a decent surface. Look closely at the pictures. The splitting wood, the lateral consecutive splitting in the middle of the bottom pic, and the rivelets (channels, third pic) in the wood are indicators of uv damage. If I remember correctly, you're girl bought that house 2-3 years ago and the deck was done by the previous ho, right? That deck was neglected for long stretches of time. I'm away from my home pc where I have some links which i'll post on return.
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The words "solid stain" never made sense to me..... if it's opaque, I'd just call it paint!
This thread sure makes me glad I did my porch in Jarrah and Ipey and all I have to do IF I want it pretty and new looking is get a rag on a stick and mop on some boiled linseed oil!

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Why not put a solid stain on a walking surface?

Research UV and lignin. Any wood that is exposed to UV for any length of time requires a sanding to remove damaged wood fibers. I believe the lack of understanding of that fact is a major contributor to deck failure where people complain about the deck product. I'll bet if you had a picture of that deck before it was done last, the fail pattern would pretty close to what it is now. And, the areas that aren't failed would have a decent surface. Look closely at the pictures. The splitting wood, the lateral consecutive splitting in the middle of the bottom pic, and the rivulets (channels, third pic) in the wood are indicators of uv damage. If I remember correctly, you're girl bought that house 2-3 years ago and the deck was done by the previous ho, right? That deck was neglected for long stretches of time. I'm away from my home pc where I have some links which i'll post on return.
Solid stains will typically not penetrate as well as semi-transparent stains which leads them to forming more of a film on the surface. That can lead to the film layer having a better bond to itself than the wood. They also show more marks and wear. If the wood itself was to blame then there would be a small layers of wood coming up with the chips and that just isn't the case here.

Keep in mind this is Latex Stain and it typically will not penetrate wood as well as oil.

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