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Old 09-01-2011, 02:27 PM   #16
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:27 PM   #17
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Are you referring the water base over oil? I really don't think that is your problem, it sounds like the paint itself.
Any coating over a dry coating should do what it is supposed to- dry itself.
Adhesion on the other hand- thats where the prep comes in.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:33 PM   #18
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Just so there isn't confusion over your statement. Oil and water don't mix when they're wet. With proper prep you can put an oil coat over a cured latex, and visa versa. Is it true, you can put latex over oil???? It's all in the prep.
This is news to me, but then again I could be in the dark ages. Please explain the ins and outs.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:49 PM   #19
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I'm kind of surprised this is new news for you MM.
I assume we are talking about enamels or trim paint.
A good scuff sand , and particularly oil to WB, use a bonding primer. Good idea in both directions.
WB under oil- Z 123 is perfect- I have had "questions " about it going from a varnish to WB, but with good scuff it (123 and most WB adhesion primers) reach full adhesion with cure- about 14 days.
Bin will get it quicker- but harder to lay smooth.
Oil underbodys also make a good transition primer.
Hope that helps.

BTW- If anybody wants to know one of several times when the "primer and paint in one " is complete BS- this is it. The primer to go from oil to WB is very important, and must be a Really good one.
Know your problem- know your primer.

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Old 09-01-2011, 04:07 PM   #20
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Brush, I have to admit that I have not used 123 between oil and latex top coat. I was always told that if you are going over oil do an oil primer that will accept latex after. Scuffing is granted.

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Old 09-01-2011, 05:23 PM   #21
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Brush, I have to admit that I have not used 123 between oil and latex top coat. I was always told that if you are going over oil do an oil primer that will accept latex after. Scuffing is granted.

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I tried the sun thing in the Spring and also just a few weeks ago. Didn't work. The paint is bad. Period. Thanks for trying...this is better than therapy!
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:27 PM   #23
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chances are you could have over applied the oil base primer to an extent where the top film felt dried but the underneath part was still not fully dried. By you applying another coat of paint over the uncured oil primer, the uncured primer remained tacky. Since these chairs are new why don't you use a latex primer? benjamin moore makes a great water based primer for wood...It is called superior primer # 046-00... Use that and topcoat with what you have and you will be in business withing a full day!! good luck
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Make sure you stir the paint for a bit paint is made up in parts oil paints have dryers in the paint and if the paint is not stired driers will separate so when you paint the oil is at the top and will not dry at all ! Stir it for a bit and then paint if it's a white gloss for example you can see patchy shinny bits on the are that's been painted but it's harder to tell with varnishes or protectors
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I let the primer dry for 5 days...I would bet my life that it was dry. After I stripped the chair again, I used a new can of oil based primer and let that dry for days also. It's the paint. Even SW admits it's the paint. Both cans probably came from the same batch...
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orgill- The chairs were old, not new. I bought them used...that was the sad part...they were a bargain!!!
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UPDATE: Today I can report that two chairs are fully stripped and painted. Two more are fully stripped. I bought new paint somewhere else (Ben Moore) Two more chairs to strip. I also decided that no matter how much a whined, I still had to stip the chairs...so I found a new angle...I only allow myself to work on a small part of the chair. When that is paint-free I move on to another part. For whatever reason, this works for me. Slow but sure!

You guys have been awesome! Used alot of your suggestions.
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Mandy, always look backward to see what's been accomplished, never look forward to see what's still to be done. Keep your glass half full. Good job, and attitude, on your chore.
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always look backward to see what's been accomplished, never look forward to see what's still to be done. Keep your glass half full.


wow, inspirational as well as knowledgable
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I sense a bit of mockery elder. I learned that when I was a very young painter. I was assigned the task a prepping a long block wall, bad shape, with scraper and wire brush in the hot sun. A dog of a job. Realizing how long it took to get so little done, I kept looking down the wall and getting more and more demoralized at how far I had to go and the amount of dog work left. Arriving at the job on the second day with a fresh mind, I realized I had gotten a good bit done the day before. And I was realizing that concentrating on what was yet to be done was dragging me down. I decided to concentrate on the work and keep my focus on what was behind me, not what was ahead. I felt a lot better mentally about the job and there was a huge improvement in my productivity, having done considerably more the second day than the first. The quality of work was better as well. It was a learning experience that has served me well over the years. A tool for the mental('s) toolbox.

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