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Dougit 12-25-2007 10:15 AM

What paint to use first?
 
I'm starting a large home that has been painted with oil paint on all trim and latex on the walls. The ceilings will be painted in flat latex. Walls in satin latex,and All trim in oil,doors,moldings and windows. The edges of trim will be painted in oil. Would you start cutting in the walls first,covering the baseboards with tape? Or start with the oil paint? http://www.diychatroom.com/images/icons/icon5.gif Started this topic on Pro site by mistake.

Rehabber 12-25-2007 12:31 PM

Ceilings first, then walls, trim last:yes:

mdancey 12-25-2007 02:23 PM

Hi Doug,
As rehabber said above it's best to paint the ceilings first. We do that so that if there is any splatter from the ceiling on the walls it can be sanded back, if needed, and then painted over with the wall colour. If you intend on painting the trim there really isn't any need to tape it off before painting the walls. I would only tape the trim if I wasn't painting it to protect it from splatter.

Cheers
Mary

End Grain 12-25-2007 03:49 PM

If you have a good, steady brush hand, paint the trim after the walls. But, if you're not that good and don't want to tape, then paint the walls first but don't cut-in the edges near the trim. Next, paint the trim. Lastly, cut in the walls. The difference? It's generally easier to paint straighter and neater if you're facing the broader edge of the wall than along a narrow edge and on an angle that partially obscures your line of sight. If you're experienced and have good technique, then cutting trim after-the-fact shouldn't be an issue.

TroyM 12-25-2007 05:19 PM

STOP, AND SLOWLY BACK AWAY FROM THE WALL!

Paint ceiling, Trim and walls.

Paint the walls before time is not a good idea.

Cutting in from the wall surface is a lot easier than from the trim.
Believe me i have been doing this for a while.

Troy

mdancey 12-25-2007 05:31 PM

Too funny. As you can see there are many different techniques used all to reach the same end. Some days I do the trim before the walls and on other days I do it the other way around.....just depends......on what I do not know. If you're just starting out, then painting the trim first then the walls might be best. If you splatter any wall paint on the trim it's easy enough to touch it up after you're done.

Cheers
Mary

Dougit 12-25-2007 09:14 PM

Thanks for the info! Can you use latex kilz primer to cover nail holes filled with wood putty over the trim. Oil paint will cover trim? I haven't painted in a long time.

Workaholic 12-25-2007 09:15 PM

What ever way is going to make you feel most comfortable. I myself can do it in any order, but when i am doing new construction, or a full repaint. I go ceilings, trim, And walls.

TroyM 12-25-2007 09:28 PM

Yes, but you want to teach best ways possible.

Using good quality roll, brush and paint, should help keeping splatter to minimal.

Having done painting day in and day out, doing trim before walls, IMO, is the fastest and the best way to achieve a clean/ straighter line between the trim and walls.
Troy

TroyM 12-25-2007 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dougit (Post 82962)
Thanks for the info! Can you use latex kilz primer to cover nail holes filled with wood putty over the trim. Oil paint will cover trim? I haven't painted in a long time.

That will be fine.
Troy

sirwired 12-26-2007 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dougit (Post 82962)
Thanks for the info! Can you use latex kilz primer to cover nail holes filled with wood putty over the trim. Oil paint will cover trim? I haven't painted in a long time.


Kilz Latex is evil! If you are already using oil paint, I'd use oil-base primer, like Original Kilz, to go with it. (There are fine water-base primers, but Kilz water-based isn't one of them. Get your paint and primers from a paint store, and you will be much better off than BigBoxCo.)

SirWired

Dougit 12-26-2007 08:25 PM

Are most oil paints the same? The big box stores only carry one brand. They have done away with most oil paints. Does BM or SW have one better then the other? Can one get away using an oil paint as a primer over nail holes. or will the nail holes show up after oil paint has dried on trim like latex satin paints on walls , if not primed over ?

TroyM 12-27-2007 08:24 PM

Go with BM "satin Impervo oil" and you will not be disappointed.

On the nail holes part, you just need to test it yourself.
It is hard to tell without seeing the holes.

sirwired 12-29-2007 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dougit (Post 83170)
Are most oil paints the same? The big box stores only carry one brand. They have done away with most oil paints. Does BM or SW have one better then the other? Can one get away using an oil paint as a primer over nail holes. or will the nail holes show up after oil paint has dried on trim like latex satin paints on walls , if not primed over ?


It matters not what the big box stores carry or do not carry. Do not buy your paint there. Both BM and SW have multiple oil-base interior finishes. Some are enamels, some are paint. The ones most commonly used for interior trim are SW ProClassic and BM Impervo. (Both are available in Waterbourne and Oil formulations.)

SirWired

slickshift 12-29-2007 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dougit (Post 83170)
Are most oil paints the same?

No
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dougit (Post 83170)
The big box stores only carry one brand. They have done away with most oil paints.

I'm surprised the Big Boxes in your area have any at all
They have done away with all oils at my local Big Box
That's OK, because most all Big Box paint is severely lacking in quality anyway
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dougit (Post 83170)
Does BM or SW have one better then the other?

SW seems to have discontinued oil-based paints in my area
I'm sure it would be on quality with the comparable BM if it were available
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dougit (Post 83170)
Can one get away using an oil paint as a primer over nail holes. or will the nail holes show up after oil paint has dried on trim like latex satin paints on walls , if not primed over ?

Paint makes a lousy primer
That's why they have primer and paint


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