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Old 10-31-2013, 10:49 PM   #1
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First off, I think painter's pants are the best form of advertisement available for painters. I was approached by a pastor of a small church asking if I was a painter. I said yes and he said come by to give him an estimate.

As I mentioned before, I'm trying to get out on my own so this would be my biggest job yet (interior). I ask the pastor what grade of paint he wants, and he says he wants a nice paint that will hold up many years. OK...he says nice but I don't think he knows that Aura costs $68/gallon (my price is $54). And, it's a church. So I know they aren't trying to spend a ton of money on paint.

I know the guy I work for really likes Ultra Spec, but I can't speak for it's long-term durability. Maybe he just likes the price

MOST of what I will be painting (if I get the job) are classrooms and hallways. Drywall only; no trim. So I'm sure there will be people putting their hands on the walls, and maybe even people taping crap up on the walls. I am by NO MEANS stuck on BM stuff. I have used mostly SW stuff in my home (Duration, Emerald, Cashmere, ProClassic), and Duration comes to mind for this job, but it might be a bit pricey. I've never used SuperPaint and am unsure of it's pricing as compared to Duration, but have heard great things about it.

In my estimate I plan to give him a fixed labor cost (with the caveat that there will be additional costs if I find something really screwed up I need to fix) and an estimated paint cost. I would like to give him the paint cost based on two or three lines of paint so he can decide how much he wants to spend.

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Do you have a PPG store near you? Their Manor Hall is top grade and less expensive than SW and or BM

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One mistake a newbie can make is to give customer too many choices. 1. they have a hard time deciding 2. makes you look like you don't know. Of course give them some to choose from but don't overwhelm them. Your best bet starting out, sit down with him and discuss the budget and his expectations for the job. Never assume what they want to pay, they may be wanting a quality job with quality materials and be will to pay for such.
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+1 to what toolseeker said. You should be determining the quality of the work, not the customer. The fact that it's a church isn't relevant. There's nothing wrong with letting them know the expense of the quality paints but if you let someone decide on a cheaper product, you'll learn real fast that they will turn on you and say that you should have known better.

So it's up to you to become known for the reputation you want. The fast and cheap category will have guys willing to work for beer money.
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Pro mar 200 regardless of budget...
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Cheap paint cost more in the end. Ultra high end paint is typically a waste of money as mid range goods preform just as well without all the hype..

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PPG Speedhide would be a good choice for commercial jobs. good luck!
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ProMar® 200 Zero VOC Interior Latex Paint

Its a money maker.

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Cheap paint cost more in the end. Ultra high end paint is typically a waste of money as mid range goods preform just as well without all the hype..

Not going to get into it but highly, highly disagree with this very bold and miss leading statement.
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Thanks everyone. PPG I do have near me but not close enough to be convenient. I gave the estimate in two paint lines: ProMar200 Zero VOC and Aura. This may be wrong, but I always want to keep my labor and materials estimates separate. That way the customer is paying for the paint and no-one is getting hosed.

I hadn't used Aura until the other day when I started a bathroom project for a customer. They had a really bad mildew problem (previous painter used flat paint...and they have pretty decent ventilation), and I was just going to buy Regal Select with Add 2, but the BM rep convinced me to try Aura Bath & Spa. Pretty easy to work with and I'm all about non-trim paints with a fast dry time. But what blew me away about this paint was how ridiculously hard it was for me to get the crap off my hands! It almost temps me to use this paint exclusively and never prime anything again. Ever.

Relax. I said almost. :D
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Not going to get into it but highly, highly disagree with this very bold and miss leading statement.
Lets do it. Pro Mar 200 and super paint are almost identical when analyzing the chemical composition. This may suprise you also but all shampoos are almost identical in composition as well regardless of price point. Dont by into the hype roller jockey..


Now compare 200 and pro classic. You'll be suprised how much you'll like 200 when your analysis is complete...
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I'm not pretending to be an expert here, but I can find a lot of food with the same basic ingredients where one tastes delicious and the other tastes like chit. So I'm not sure that's necessarily a valid point. I'd be really surprised if promar 200 behaved and finished like proclassic on trim. Levels nicely and dries hard as a rock.
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It does. Try it..
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Pro mar 200 regardless of budget...
Promar 200 has a very nice finish but steer clear of it for darker colours; unless you priced it for 8 coats of paint.

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