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Old 01-05-2014, 05:02 PM   #31
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You are correct nowadays paints are changing so fast it can be hard just keeping up with them. The last I heard BM is phasing out some of their lines.
I would like to start a tread on here that tells about new products and new tools and the such. But to be honest I'm afraid it would turn into a flaming war over brand names. Instead of saying I used Behr and it sucks, maybe I used Behr Ultra and it didn't cover well. Or did you know Titan is making a new tip for sprayers I used one and really liked it because. I think it would be good but we would have to police ourselves or the mods will shut it down. Would like some other opinions, including the mods.

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That would be great. If a mod could run it so that an opinion has to have a reason with it to keep the post. Also, how long ago the experience was so we know if it's likely to apply to the current formulation.
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Ahhh, so, I have 6 gallons of Glidden "Interior Premium" paint that my wife picked out. Ah well, it was already half bought before I looked anything up. Ah well, it's a rental house and it's better than what was covering the walls before.
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I think Benjamin Moore is your best bet. Bought Sherwin Williams Duration for my shutters. After painting, I left the shutters inside for 2 weeks to dry. After those 2 weeks, paint was still a little tacky and handling it left fingerprint ridges in the paint. SW store says this is normal. Claims that 2 weeks of 77 degree temperatures is required in order to avoid this. Actually said that, if I paint a front door, it cannot be completely closed until it has 2 weeks of 77 degree temperature. Told me that if I paint outdoors in October here in southern Va, I can expect that the paint will be somewhat sticky until May. I know the salesman is an idiot, but I've never had this problem (tacky paint or idiot salesmen) with Benjamin Moore.
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Agree salesman was an idiot. Really don't know what caused your problem, but have you used BM advance it's a pretty slow dryer too. They recommend 16 hours between coats.
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Thanks for that. One of the issues may be that, once I've painted an exterior surface, I generally don't touch it again except to recoat. Wouldn't notice the fingerprint or other handling issues. That's probably been true for the Benjamin Moore I've used over the years. Would have chalked the Sherwin Williams incident up to some sort of odd circumstance if not for the salesman's silly response.
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Revisiting this thread since I'm close to getting some paint for the new house. S-W is having their 25% off sale right now so at least want to get enough to do the kids' bedrooms.

I've been reading around a bit and most people seem happy with the SuperPaint line. I have a 3 and 5 year old, with another on the way. With that said, which paint line and sheen would you recommend that would be durable and washable? Would it still be SuperPaint? Reading the below information, it sounds like the Duration may hold up to the antics of 3 kids (plus friends). What has your experience been?

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With SuperPaint® Interior Acrylic Latex, you'll enjoy the benefits of paint and primer for a fast, easy application. SuperPaint has excellent coverage, hide, durability, quick cleanup and easy touch-up which makes color changes a snap.

Why you will love it:
  • Paint & Primer in One.
  • Self-priming with excellent hide and durability
  • Rich, beautiful appearance and a lasting finish
  • Excellent scrubbability
  • Available in flat, satin and semi-gloss
Finishes:
  • Flat - This non-shiny finish is great for hiding surface imperfections because it deflects the light.
  • Satin - With its slight gloss, this finish offers the benefits of a richer look.
  • Semi-Gloss - This lustrous, durable finish is perfect for areas that get cleaned frequently.
Coverage: 350 - 400 sq ft/gal @ 4 mils wet; 1.6 mils dry
Volume Solids: 38 ± 2%
Weight Solids: 53 ± 2%
Weight per Gallon: 10.9 lb

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With Duration Home® Interior Acrylic Latex paint, you'll enjoy excellent durability and washability for an active home. It is ideal for high traffic areas like kitchens and hallways and most stains wipe clean with water. Goes on smoothly and quickly and offers excellent hide.

Why you will love it:
  • Most stains wipe clean with water or mild soap
  • Resists color rub-off and less visible shine after washing
  • Anti-microbial agents inhibit the growth of mold and mildew on the paint surface
  • Ideal for high-traffic spaces
  • Available in matte, satin and semi-gloss sheens plus deep vivid accent colors
Finishes:
  • Matte - This flat finish is great for hiding surface imperfections, while its angular shine helps make walls smooth and washable.
  • Satin - With its slight gloss, this finish offers the benefits of a richer look.
  • Semi-Gloss - This lustrous, durable finish is perfect for areas that get cleaned frequently.
Coverage: 350 - 400 sq ft/gal @ 4 mils wet; 1.5 mils dry
Volume Solids: 39 ± 2%
Weight Solids: 50 ± 2%
Weight per Gallon: 10.5 lb
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Probably the sheen is more important than the paint, assuming a thick enough coating. Flat is not the way to go. The problem for me with SuperPaint is I just think Satin is too shiny for my taste. If you like Satin and you're happy with it, then it will be fine. If you prefer a flatter look, the the slight sheen of Duration Matte will be more to you liking. It is not a "flat finish" as advertised. Of course in the same sentence they say "angular shine". In other words, it's between flat and eggshell.
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Part of the suckage of new construction is all the drywall imperfections, screw pops, corner cracks, and other things. These are things they will fix @ the 11-month mark. However, my wife is due in a week with #3, and wants this new baby's room painted now. I don't want to waste the money on good ($$) paint, nor do I want to deal with fixing it all myself right now.

I think what I'm going to do is use a cheaper paint right now (Behr PPU is $35/gal and has a decent reputation on here), and after everything is fixed, come over it with S-W Duration.

S-W doesn't have pricing online. Do they have anything comparable in the $35 range @ contractor pricing I should look at?
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Behr PPU in Matte is your best bet, and I doubt you'll feel the need to recoat it later with SW.
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My biggest concern is being kid-friendly -- three kids 5-and-under. It will need a recoat regardless though after the builder fixes the drywall issues.
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Sure, you may need to recoat it anyway, but not because the paint itself is not good enough. It will be easier to recoat with the exact same paint brand and color shade though, in that case.
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Got you. Does matte have enough sheen to wipe down/clean easy?
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I think so. But go with eggshell if you want to be sure. Or use 3 coats of flat or matte paint so you can scrub off some and still have plenty behind.

Think of it like this. Modern cars are finished with a clearcoat finish. It's very glossy and durable and easy to clean. In the old days, cars just had paint. When you "waxed" your car, you were really using a wax polish, which contained abrasives (that's what a polish is - when you waxed your red car, your pad would be red when you were done). So technically you were rubbing off some of your car's finish as you cleaned. Nowadays with the harder, shinier clearcoats, you can just wash your car and then apply a pure carnauba wax, without abrasives.

Wall paint is kind of like that. The flatter the paint, the thicker the coating needs to be because you're going to be scrubbing off a bit of paint when you scrub. The glossier the paint is, the easier it is to clean and the less paint you will scrub off.

If you like flat or matte, then put on an extra coat and expect to scrub a bit. For example you could cut in twice and roll 3 coats. If you prefer the sheen of eggshell anyway, then it's a no brainer - use eggshell (or satin).
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Why do it twice? Because you're in a hurry to paint and you think it will take too long to fix the drywall imperfections? You won't get around to repainting that room with good paint for years (when you are ready for a color change or whatever). Once you paint it, get the furniture and decorations up and baby in, it's over.

It's likely the drywall repairs you are referencing won't take nearly as long as you think. Knock 'em out, get the paint you want and be done.

BTW you just missed SW's 30% off sale. At least in my area. Now they are having a 35% off bucket sale but that only applies to paint paraphernalia.

Edit: As far as the original Q of this thread goes, I think that SW and BM are better in general because they simply invest more R&D money into their paint than big box stores. Their business rises and falls on the reputation of their paint. I'd be willing to bet that their top paint nerd chemists are paid more than that of Lowe's or HD's…or maybe even Duron's before SW bought them. The top paint nerds are attracted to and therefore work for BM, SW, PL, etc. So their top lines are generally top of the line for the industry. My $0.02.

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