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Old 01-02-2014, 05:55 PM   #16
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These opinions are based on my exp. If you wish me to elaborate on any left me know.
This is how we need to be discussing paints on this here forum.

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The just make/formulate better quality paints overall...
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Old 01-04-2014, 08:20 PM   #18
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I'm still trying to understand why people seem to just love ben moore paint and got their hate on for behr. I've used super spec, regal, and arua lines and i do not like painting with it. i find the paint is like white school glue that gums up my brush and goes on very instantly. I've used behr ultra and premium plus. I find they seem to have almost the same characteristics at the ben moore lines i've used. very think goop and instant. Thick paint doesn't mean good paint. I've never used Sherwin williams paint there is no store here and i can't say good or bad. Here locally We have pittsburgh, para, valspar, dulux, and sico.
Pittsburgh- i've used speed hide, pure performance, manor hall, and timeless.
speed hide seems kinda cheap and is the contractor grade. pure performance is decent paint for such a low price but seems to have bit of a chalky sheen to it. i really like manor hall very instant not to thick or thin i give them my thumbs up. timeless is also decent paint.
valspar- i've used the contractor grade and it seems really thin and poor covering. i've also used the signature and i find it has a really weird smell and my brush really drags.
para paints- i've used the ultra and the premium and they are good quality paints. i would recommend them but i do not like the store here locally. they give no discount, they never stock enough paint, i brought in a paint chip and told me to come back the next day to pick up the paint and they dont seem to friendly so i dont go there much.
sico paints i've used the cashmere and its good paint i'd recommend it.
dulux my favorite brand of paints. i've used the ultra, life master, and diamond collection.
ultra is a bit watery but seems to cover well. life master is very good paint. not to thick or thin. very well covering very good paint. and diamond is my very i use it on a regular basis i find it has the best covering best thickness and durability and long life is unbeatable.
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Like I have said on here many, many times. If it works for you…….use it. If water mixed with food coloring makes your walls look great and your wife is happy, use it. If it's Behr, Valspar, SW, BM, Wal-Mart (Colorplace), doesn't matter as long as you are happy with its' performance.

Unfortunately for a pro, it is consistency that matters a whole lot because we need to know that the paint we use has to act the same all the time or else we go broke or hungry or both. That's why you get such divided comments on topics like this.
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talking paint brands with a bunch of different guys is like having the good old debate over whats better ford,dodge, and gm. nobody is going to win. one guy will be a ford guy another will be a dodge man and the other will be a gm nut and they all could be master mechanics. every brand has made something good and they have all made junk. take some for a test drive and see what you like best.
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That's true princelake. The problem comes when a bunch of Ford guys all get together in a forum and bully out anyone who says they like Chevy, to the point where DIYers coming here get an incorrect impression that only Ford is "allowed".
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Now this has nothing to do with the paint brands themselves, but, when was the last time you had a problem with your paint and you got a decent answer from someone at Wal-Mart, Home Depot, or Lowe's? At least at the professional paint stores that I frequent, I get answers to questions/problems that I may have. Does this happen at every SW or BM store? No, but for the most part, you have at least one employee that knows their stuff and can help you out.
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Actually I've only ever had 1 real problem with paint itself after buying and applying, and that was at Sherwin Williams. They never got that paint right, and no one could figure out the problem. I am often disappointed with the level of knowledge the staff has about their paints, since I expect them to know a lot about their paints. However I have higher standards for them than at Home Depot so it's not a fair comparison. In general they do know more, but not by leaps and bounds.

I never buy paint at WalMart (I wouldn't expect their staff to know anything at all, but who knows.) I rarely buy paint at Lowes. When I buy at Home Depot, they're mostly competent, except for this one ridiculous episode:
A Home Depot/Behr paint experience
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JeffNC, I have one of the very best SW stores in the nation. The mgr. has been there since 1978, the assistant since 1992, and most of the full timers have been there at least 5 years. There knowledge is unmatched as far as I am concerned. Problems arise as they always do, but, it's so nice to have them to fallback on to explain why something went wrong or to make it right as far as a return, etc. They even provide a FREE design consultation through the store with one of the full timers who is talented in interior design. I haven't had too many issues with HD or Lowe's…….just the occasional "wrong base used" scenario which produces some interesting colors!
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That's another reason I don't like generalized Home Depot vs. Sherwin Williams type comparisons. So much depends on the competence of the individuals in each store. I have 1 SW store and 1 BM store close to me. It wouldn't be fair to judge SW and BM based on 1 store currently having a lame staff, and the other store having a real pro staff. It could change in 6 months time anyway given just one or two employee changes.

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I would love to learn some design stuff. I have a whole house to paint and no idea where to start.

Gymschu - I take it you really like their drywall primer? Haha.
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I would love to learn some design stuff. I have a whole house to paint and no idea where to start.

Gymschu - I take it you really like their drywall primer? Haha.
Dave, so many people on DIY ask what is a good drywall primer to buy so I just made it my profile pic for easy reference.
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For me, it's my local BM that stands out as the best. BM dealers are widely different from place to place, I have never been in another one that compared. I used them for about %50 of my materials last year.

Anything industrial/specialty I prefer SW. I really like there DTM, and there industrial primers specifically. Though I don't normally use them for residential.

And I don't mind to go to lowes for some things.

In general, I think it's the perception that SW and BM are older more established paint manufactures. That they are more 'trusted' in the industry. There is an idea that there products are more researched perhaps, or have stood the test of time longer. And if there is a problem, its assumed that you could expect more help from them than a more diverse retailer.
A lot of it is just brand recognition and loyalty.
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I think a lot of it is from using a product that you have used for years. You know what to expect from that product line. When you open that can of paint you know what to expect, when you put that paint on the wall you know what it's going to look like. Have I had trouble with SW paint yes, but I knew immediately it wasn't right so I took it back. Or I have had my rep actually come to the job site, This won't happen at a box store. In fact when I first started use pro classic I hated it. Told my rep it was horrible paint, he asked me how I was applying it, when we got done found out it was me, not the paint. Again this service is lacking at the box store.
I feel Behr is an OK paint and it was really designed to be a DIY paint in both cost and quality. And it serves very well in that capacity. I have seen on this and other forums someone say I can make any paint look good, and most any painter should be able to do this. But I don't want to have to "make" it look good.
For most DIYers an OK paint job is good enough but if I'm getting paid for a paint job I want a WOW paint job. Therefore I will use the products that I know from experience will get me there. If you have a product or product line that you feel will get you there by all means use it and don't let anyone talk you into something else.
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I think a lot of it is from using a product that you have used for years. You know what to expect from that product line.
This goes for changes in the product line too. If you stick with one product line, it's easier to keep track of any changes they make to it and you have a point of reference to compare to. There are a lot of changes to paint lines. That's one reason you can't really listen to criticisms of paint formed 20 years ago - they no longer apply.

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