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getterdone 04-26-2013 09:51 AM

two in one no-prep paint
 
Does Dutch Boy Dura Weather Maxbond, no prep/no prime formula work well on chalky, kinda dirty aluminum siding, when it is not washed at all? The container says it's superior adhesion!

user1007 04-26-2013 09:57 AM

http://www.diychatroom.com/f4/worse-...nt-one-177959/

Do not fall for this marketing horse puckey! Even if it offered superior adhesion do you want your paint stuck to dirt or your siding? If there is dirt in the way, the paint cannot stick to the siding? Adhesion does not happen from the top down, unfortunately. I guess this stuff works by encapsulating dirt under a paint film? Nonsense.

Prep is an inescapable aspect of a good paint job. You are willing to spend the time painting why not a little extra time to clean the siding? And do you want your paint job, even if this could work, to look like you painted it with mud as a light colored paint mixes with the dirt you did not clean off?

I hope Ric steps in to comment on this latest fad. He suggested not long ago a company would not advertise a product clearly to appeal to a consumer market. I guess, especially with this latest hogwash, I am cynical enough to believe that even Sherwin Williams will if it will sell paint based on what the consumer thinks they want:

Paint and Primer in One
Superior One Coat Coverage
No Prep Application Over Dirty, Chalky Surfaces
Lifetime Warranty (read the fine print carefully please)
Dirt Cheap Price per Gallon

Dutch Boy Maxbond is making all the above claims and I fear lots of disappointed people soon. I guess if the company can sell enough to those who know better and do prep it will be able to afford to hand gallons of the stuff to those who will be painting over and over for eternity.

Will22 04-26-2013 10:42 AM

The label instructions on these product (regardless of the manufacturer) recommend proper cleaning and surface prep, in addition to priming for specific applications. There should be no language with a recommendation to skip these procedures. The fine print on Lifetime warranties provides replacement paint or a refund, nothing more.

JMDPainting 04-26-2013 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by getterdone (Post 1167596)
does dutch boy dura weather maxbond, no prep/no prime formula work well on chalky, kinda dirty aluminum siding, when it is not washed at all? The container says it's superior adhesion!

no it does not

Gymschu 04-26-2013 04:46 PM

Even if it did, why would you want to paint over dirt and chalkiness? Hoochiemama!

forcedreno2012 04-26-2013 09:07 PM

Not going to get on the band wagon on paint and primer in one debate.....even if I get it I still prime. It does make a difference.

My daddy taught me the 7 P's when I was a kid and I live by them.

Proper
Prior
Preparation
Prevents
Pizz
Poor
Performance

The end result is only as good as the effort that you put into it. :thumbsup:

Robyn

user1007 04-26-2013 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forcedreno2012 (Post 1167987)
Not going to get on the band wagon on paint and primer in one debate.....

This is the new enhanced bull puckey that claims you need do no prep whatsoever. I too am tired of debating the primer and paint in one. But this product's claims go further suggesting, as the OP stated, that you can go right over chalked paint or dirt! Just pop the lid and paint---one supposes ignoring the mud that forms on your brush! :furious::censored:

Brushjockey 04-26-2013 09:17 PM

Best part is all you need for solid even application is one of these!

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...aXqn8JK56o_heg

user1007 04-26-2013 09:25 PM

Actually you would need a hose for that thing to steer itself and obviously a person using the Maxbond product would not have one or they would clean the surface first.

I have posted this before but this is the best method for applying such paint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4jmEwW95Uk

ToolSeeker 04-27-2013 08:42 AM

I also am tired of the debate. We preach and try to explain based on years of experience then someone comes along and says all-in-one is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I am to the point I think we should join the masses. When it comes up, encourage people to go buy it, buy it by the bucket. Then when they see what crap it really is and maybe start to complain the paint companies will do something about it.
A week ago got a call from a disabled vet wanted me to paint his 4 year old daughters bedroom. Said he had started it but was unable to finish. I went over and he had painted 1 wall with Olympic One so named because one coat would do it.(Yea right) Anyway this wall looked really bad. By the way we were painting a light purple over an off white. When I got done my 3 walls looked almost as bad as his 1 wall. He got all upset and wanted to know why. I told him it has to have a second coat, and he says no,no, the guy at Lowes said this would cover anything in 1 coat. I said really then why did he sell you enough to do 2 coats. Again until people start complaining its only going to get worse.

Gymschu 04-27-2013 09:00 AM

Great post, Toolseeker. So many doubt the years of experience a painter has. Hey, it would be great if it worked, our painting lives would be so much easier, but, like you, I have seen someone try it, heck, I have tried it just to be sure, and, IT DOES NOT WORK.I don't know how many times we have to shout it on here...........Paint and Primer in One DOES NOT WORK.

user1007 04-27-2013 09:09 AM

you cannot skip prep and expect anything approaching a nice looking paint job! You cannot paint over dirt or chalk.

kwikfishron 04-27-2013 09:13 AM

When I started to read thread I immediately wanted to see the PDS for this product but it doesn't seem to exist (online anyway). MSDS yes, PDS no. :wink:

If anyone can find it I'd love to read it.

user1007 04-27-2013 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikfishron (Post 1168148)
When I started to read thread I immediately wanted to see the PDS for this product but it doesn't seem to exist (online anyway). MSDS yes, PDS no. :wink:

If anyone can find it I'd love to read it.

I could not find it or a copy of the lifetime warranty online. There has to be some very strange legal clauses in 3pt type!? I did see the ad in the Menard's flyer with the exact statements the OP listed which is why I started the parallel thread prior to this one.

Absurd! Give people what they want I guess. If this stuff adheres so well I bet you cannot even get it out of the can as it wants to stick to the sides.

Sherwin Williams should put cans and buckets of this stuff on a stick. People will buy anything on a stick and pay twice as much for it. :thumbup:

kwikfishron 04-27-2013 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdsester (Post 1168191)
I could not find it or a copy of the lifetime warranty online.

Just for fun I e-mailed Dutch and requested the PDS and warranty info.
If they respond I'll post it.


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