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Old 10-29-2010, 01:09 AM   #16
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it's not fine, i've tried it, won't go. i have a sharpe hvlp that i've shot cars with. i have 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 tips. none will shoot latex. with the 2.0 you can do it if you thin nearly 50% but it just splatters and won't move material if you spray out of the can. i've actually personally tried this. the small airless guns like i posted won't shoot thick exterior paint but can move latex a LOT easier than any of the air guns. think about it, 2.0 is a primer tip. automotive primer is a LOT thinner than latex

the really bad ass handheld is from graco, you can get one for $200 and it will spray everything from stain to exterior paint

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Old 10-29-2010, 06:49 AM   #17
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The reviews I was reading on the gun I posted I believe people were saying they used it to shoot latex. Maybe I misread.

Oh well, maybe I need to just paint them with a brush or roller. I'm not speading $200+ on an airgun.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:39 AM   #18
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Hello in the last few years I have painted all the doors in my home and hung/painted six panels at my moms. I've allways used oil based paint and have played around with brushes and lots of different roller covers till I found whiz/foam/cigar rollers they lay down a glass smooth finish. They dont hold a ton of paint so I would use a 3" roller of 1/2" nap to hog the paint on the door then work it over with the foam roller to smooth it out. I have never done this with latex but think it would work quickly and on a budget hope it helps.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:43 AM   #19
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The reviews I was reading on the gun I posted I believe people were saying they used it to shoot latex. Maybe I misread.

Oh well, maybe I need to just paint them with a brush or roller. I'm not speading $200+ on an airgun.
Hi - hmm, I read the same reviews and I remember that.
I still think you on the right track. You do need to thin to spray latex with most any gun. I usually use a paint conditioner:
http://www.flood.com/paint-additive-...p?productId=12

Just don't exceed the 8:1 or it does affect the sheen.

I haven't had to exceed that as yet but if it still doesn't spray at that you could still add water at about an ounce at a time till it does. It's not really a big deal anyway as you can just hit it with another coat in few minutes. Same as using a rattle can. Several light coats being better than 1 thick one.
Your bigger issue might be your compressor. I think it may be a bit on the light side but usable. No specs on the gun but my guess would be it sucks between 4-6 CFM. Not a big problem as you have two regulators and a 12 gallon reserve to play with. Crank the regulator up to about 90 on the tank and regulate the spray with the one on the gun. You will probably have to break every 15 minutes or so to let the compressor catch up. Again, no big deal as you can throw a lot of paint in 15 minutes. The real biggy would be if you have a tool oiler installed on your air system. That would mean your entire air system is off limits for any finishing work.
Personally, I use a little Earlex 3500 that cost about $110 US on sale. No multiple turbines or anything. Just kind of a small shop-vac in reverse, probably around 100 CFM at 4-6 psi. After I got it, I got to wondering if I couldn't modify a cheap gun to use a shop-vac but haven't gotten around to messing with that idea yet.
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if you get it thin enough you can shoot just find out of a cheap air based hvlp gun. i actually gave my front door a light coat after sanding out brush strokes this way. the gun will physically shoot the paint if it's not quite right but in order to get a really nice fog going the material needs to be about the same thickness as auto primer builder if you use the 2.0 tip

http://www.amazon.com/Graco-258863-T...ref=pd_cp_hi_0

is the ideal handheld sprayer for any of us to use when spraying small quantities of latex

did ask a couple people about the cheap wagner guns and they said that none of them will shoot out of the can latex worth a damn either. to spray latex straight you have to get into their paint crew. worse yet a lot of the wagner products are hard to actually clean out and i've personally killed two paint crews cleaning one house even after using pump guard after the cleaning.

so, i guess the bottom line is either pony up for the graco handheld, buy the cheap hvlp and thin your paint or really take your time applying by hand.
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if you get it thin enough you can shoot just find out of a cheap air based hvlp gun. i actually gave my front door a light coat after sanding out brush strokes this way. the gun will physically shoot the paint if it's not quite right but in order to get a really nice fog going the material needs to be about the same thickness as auto primer builder if you use the 2.0 tip

http://www.amazon.com/Graco-258863-T...ref=pd_cp_hi_0

is the ideal handheld sprayer for any of us to use when spraying small quantities of latex

did ask a couple people about the cheap wagner guns and they said that none of them will shoot out of the can latex worth a damn either. to spray latex straight you have to get into their paint crew. worse yet a lot of the wagner products are hard to actually clean out and i've personally killed two paint crews cleaning one house even after using pump guard after the cleaning.

so, i guess the bottom line is either pony up for the graco handheld, buy the cheap hvlp and thin your paint or really take your time applying by hand.
Hmm, I kinda liked that one until I got to the price. Doesn't look like it is carried by Amazon. It looks like the tips will interchange with the contractor guns which is a nice feature. Other than that, I don't see much special about it.
This is the one I use in that volume range:
http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-0525002...pr_product_top
Just about half the price of the graco. I've been using those sprayers for quite a long time now and clean up is no where near the chore it has been rumored to be. IMO, no worse than trying to clean brushes and rollers. No contest though if the brushes and rollers are to be tossed each time. If anything, my Earlex is even easier to clean. About the only negative I have about it (the Earlex) is the ~30mm supply hose which likes to pop out of the gun if not very well seated.
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for 128 that's not a bad buy provided it can spray exterior paints and doesn't easily freeze like the paint crew. that and of course if it atomizes well, something their cheap guns don't do so well from what a local painted mentioned. my biggest gripe with the wagner paint crew is that really sticky exterior paint seems to jam them up. even if you clean them with water, then paint thinner, then pump guard i've had two fail on one project. both the same way. you let them sit overnight, fire it up again and the pump just keeps running and you get splatter nozzle. the biggest perk to the 2x priced graco is user service parts. if one fails sherwin williams not only sells that gun for the same as the online price, they carry all the parts. graco is proud of that little handheld and it's shown in the price. from what i gathered the standard 199 model only has half the piston size of the 250 model.

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for 128 that's not a bad buy provided it can spray exterior paints and doesn't easily freeze like the paint crew. that and of course if it atomizes well, something their cheap guns don't do so well from what a local painted mentioned. my biggest gripe with the wagner paint crew is that really sticky exterior paint seems to jam them up. even if you clean them with water, then paint thinner, then pump guard i've had two fail on one project. both the same way. you let them sit overnight, fire it up again and the pump just keeps running and you get splatter nozzle. the biggest perk to the 2x priced graco is user service parts. if one fails sherwin williams not only sells that gun for the same as the online price, they carry all the parts. graco is proud of that little handheld and it's shown in the price. from what i gathered the standard 199 model only has half the piston size of the 250 model.

Hi - probably shows that I'm a pretty strong Wagner fan but that Paint crew is possibly the biggest POS I've ever seen as far as painting products go. Seems like they tried to please everyone and make a machine to appeal to the occasional DIY'er as well as to the very low side of the pro market but failed miserably at both.
You're absolutely right that the key to airless sprayers is to clean them thoroughly and immediately after use. I clean them out by the book and then get out the air compressor and siphon gun and blow solvent through every part I can get off the sucker. Then I use plain shop air and blow the solvent out. That includes every inch of the 50ft hose I use with the Spraytech. After a few times through it you get a routine going and it seldoms takes me more than about 20 minutes to clean up and store 'em now. I also always use Floetrol instead of water for thinning. Adds a dollar or so to the per gallon cost of the job but, IMO, is well worth the expense. What I have found is just thinning with water, you don't get the surfactants you get with a conditioner and you have a liquid that is thin as all get out but wont pump because the molecules are still sticking together. By the time you get enough water in there, the solids are so dispersed it's difficult to get coverage.
Just an FYI, never try cleaning latex with paint thinner. Until it's cured, the paint thinner and latex based paint just morph into some sort of goo that doesn't want to go away no matter what you use. Dishwashing liquid and water is the best solvent I've found for latex paint.

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hmm, wonder if that's what killed my paint crews. the paint thinner / latex combo
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Hi - hmm, I read the same reviews and I remember that.
I still think you on the right track. You do need to thin to spray latex with most any gun. I usually use a paint conditioner:
http://www.flood.com/paint-additive-...p?productId=12

Just don't exceed the 8:1 or it does affect the sheen.

I haven't had to exceed that as yet but if it still doesn't spray at that you could still add water at about an ounce at a time till it does. It's not really a big deal anyway as you can just hit it with another coat in few minutes. Same as using a rattle can. Several light coats being better than 1 thick one.
Your bigger issue might be your compressor. I think it may be a bit on the light side but usable. No specs on the gun but my guess would be it sucks between 4-6 CFM. Not a big problem as you have two regulators and a 12 gallon reserve to play with. Crank the regulator up to about 90 on the tank and regulate the spray with the one on the gun. You will probably have to break every 15 minutes or so to let the compressor catch up. Again, no big deal as you can throw a lot of paint in 15 minutes. The real biggy would be if you have a tool oiler installed on your air system. That would mean your entire air system is off limits for any finishing work.
Personally, I use a little Earlex 3500 that cost about $110 US on sale. No multiple turbines or anything. Just kind of a small shop-vac in reverse, probably around 100 CFM at 4-6 psi. After I got it, I got to wondering if I couldn't modify a cheap gun to use a shop-vac but haven't gotten around to messing with that idea yet.
I looked up the Earlex 3500 and if I could get it for around $100 I'd probbaly consider it. Since I wouldn't have to worry about an air compressor. I watched some videos of it in action on youtube. Amazon does sell two other Earlex models that are cheaper but I'm not 100% sure about their performance. They sell the 300 model for $139 and the 500 model for $60 but there are no reviews. http://www.amazon.com/Earlex-HV500-S...531689&sr=8-14 THe 500 is Probably way underpowered.
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I was just in the process of ordering a few things on Amazon and I threw caution to the wind and ordered the HVLP spraygun from amazon that was $33. I will try it with my air compressor and if it's not powerful enough I'll borrow my buddys when I plan to spray. I haven't seen anything in that price range that had reviews even remotely as good as those. If it turns out that it doesn't shoot latex all that well I'm sure I could at least use it to shoot oil based stains and sealers. But I'll try to do a review when I receive the unit and let you all know how it works.

For $33 it won't destroy me if it's not the best thing since sliced bread. IT's about the same cost as a couple of new Purdy brushes.
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Hi Speed - I think ya done good taking a pass on that HV500 - much better units out there for very little more money. I picked up my 3500 off an e-special from Woodcraft for $120.
Be interested to hear how you make out with the one you ordered. I think your compressor is close enough to do the job, just keep an eye on it and give it a chance to catch up once in awhile.
Good Luck on your project.
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the compressor should be fine, you just may have to wait here and there for build up. if you thin it a bit and it just splatters or doesn't shoot. don't fret, keep thinning until it shoots. you may need a couple coats but it can give a decent finish. just from my own experience you wind up thinning quite a bit
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$29.97 WAS $29.97
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If you want a pro finish Buy the spray paint and the bigger trigger and you will never spend an hour trying to avoid brush lines brush again or worrying
if the cheap Wagner is going to "spit" on your finish
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