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Old 02-18-2012, 01:36 PM   #16
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This is an interesting discussion - The Ironman likes SW Paint and is singing their praises. There's no question SW makes some great products. BM makes some great products. PPG also. In my opinion, and for what it's worth, is that regional manufacturers generally make better products than nationals do - often times at a better value. I work with many regionals and know very few that don't have adequate representation in the field - in my experience (generally speaking, of course) many of them are superior in their product and application knowledge than their national rep counterparts are (I'm sure there's exceptions). Again, for what it's worth, if I were to rate the products of all the companies I've tested for application and performance, I probably wouldn't rank either SW or BM in the top 10...

BUT, whatever I have to say about a particular product, or company, is moot. In Ironlight's situation, he's found a product that he's had good success with and has performed well for him. If the product is more expensive - or not - really should have little to do with his ability to make money on a job.

With 1600 paint manufacturers nationwide, I don't want to call this industry an oligopoly, but trust me when I say that SW cannot raise their prices 40% unless every other company raises their prices a similar amount. Many companies, regionals and nationals, often times wait to see what other companies are doing before deciding how much they can raise their prices or how much add'l cost they will have to absorb. As manufacturers, we all buy our raw materials from the same sources - and while there are economies of scale at play, those who buy the most raw materials will also have the highest production costs (plus the most exposure and liability concerns).

Sorry for the rant. Paint is like beer - or politics. Paint has the same nuance differences that beer and politics has...The very thing Ironlight likes about SW may be the very thing I can't stand about SW (not that I can't stand SW, just an example) - it's all a matter of preferences and opinions.

After such a long winded post, I don't even remember what got me up on my soapbox. Sidenote to Ironlight: Sorry, but I gotta agree with Jay on the BM thing - that was kind of your fault - the BM guy apparently messed something up, but once you're on the job, you're the last one to make sure the product is right before putting it on the surface.

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Usually most paints today require time in the paintstore mixer to be properly mixed.
He said they did that.
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A stir stick won't get it done.
Yet apparently it did. Ironlight made no mention of driving the paint back to the BM store to have it mixed. Since the thread is about his lack of satisfaction at that particular store, it seems like he would have included that. If he had no choice but to take it back for them to do what they should have done in the first place, then I would be in total agreement with him.
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He said they did that.

Yet apparently it did. Ironlight made no mention of driving the paint back to the BM store to have it mixed. Since the thread is about his lack of satisfaction at that particular store, it seems like he would have included that. If he had no choice but to take it back for them to do what they should have done in the first place, then I would be in total agreement with him.
Yeah Seams like a troll. Plus If it was not mixed right he need to take it back. Why waste 60 dollars.
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KM is a 100% employee owned company so it not publicly traded. EXACTLY! Hence the reason I buy what I own stock in. And when SWP projects to raise their prices 40 percent this year. Keep on buying it.
Not sure who you spoke to about SW raising their prices 40% but the Depot is only raising theirs 20% and my sources say SW surely won't be more than that.
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SW will not be raising prices 40% this year. Prices are raising, but no where near 40%. They are raising prices just like every other paint supplier in th U.S is. Prices have been increasing the past couple of years, because the prices of raw materials that go into the products has been increasing. SW isn't the only paint supplier that's been raising prices, but 40% is far from the truth. SW stocks have been doing great, especially over the past few years.
Nailbags, every time you refer to SW I noticed you keep saying that there paint cost $60 a gallon. Are you aware that they have numerous lines of paints that range in price from about 22$ - 60$ retail a gallon?
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SW will not be raising prices 40% this year. Prices are raising, but no where near 40%. They are raising prices just like every other paint supplier in th U.S is. Prices have been increasing the past couple of years, because the prices of raw materials that go into the products has been increasing. SW isn't the only paint supplier that's been raising prices, but 40% is far from the truth. SW stocks have been doing great, especially over the past few years.
Nailbags, every time you refer to SW I noticed you keep saying that there paint cost $60 a gallon. Are you aware that they have numerous lines of paints that range in price from about 22$ - 60$ retail a gallon?
This what I see when I walk in to a swp store Buy Duration its 64.95 a gallon,
when A-100 is Just as good if not better but to lay person walking in off the street will listen to the sales person hand them a line of bull and sell them the high priced stuff. and another great paint I love from SW is the classic 99 But the sales clerk does not want to sell that. it has to be the Harmony or the new one Emerald that is going to be 70 dollars per gallon.
I just like to point out that there are regional paints that are of just as high quality and at half the price of SWP. SWP is not the only store in town. But some people want every one to think they are and if you don't buy from them your a Idiot.
Just some facts from my best friend who works for SWP as their Chemist
the shelf life of paint is fifteen years give or take a year or two. Most paint failures will never have the Guarantee honored because people don't keep their proof of purchase. Or the paint company and this is not directed to SWP this is a broad brush stroke of all paint companies they have so much wiggle room in the warranty that they will never have to make good on it. So I just tell people here are the best paints out there in my area and I list it from the most expensive to the least.
this is my list
1.SWP
2 BM
3 Pratt & Lambert
4 KM
5 Parker Paint
6 Rodda
All high quality paints all do the same thing all have Warranty's and at the end of the day each will last right around 15 years. And as for the price increase it came from the mouth of my local SWP rep.
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Just to straighten out a few things.

They guy in the BM store said he mixed the paint. He did not. I stirred it for a minute or so before beginning application. As noted, that is not adequate to completely mix the paint. It *IS* enough to make you *THINK* the paint is throroughly mixed if you were already *TOLD* it had been shaken at the store.

As to why I did not take it back...it was pretty clear what the problem was. I had more than enough paint for a second and even third coat (it's a small powder room). Why go to the store and get MORE paint, when I can just mix it thoroughly at home, put it on, and be done with the project? I was not inclined to make more work for myself just to make a point on principle. I've got work to do.

I like Benjamin Moore paint, and said as much, and I really only mentioned the incident in passing. In general, I will say that I've had mixed experiences in virtually EVERY paint store I've ever been to. They all hire their own share of knuckleheads, like pretty much ever other retail operation on the planet. It's sometimes what you have to do to run a business.

My original post was not a troll, and to say it was is simply idiotic. It's also idiotic to think that any single player in the industry can raise prices 40% and stay in business. 90% of the people who buy paint can be counted on to buy the cheapest stuff they can find, or whatever the brand is of the color chip that their wife picked out. It's a commodity to a degree. To most people, Sherwin Williams is a name, like Glidden or Behr or Duron or Benjamin Moore, and paint is paint.

All in all, I was just saying I had a good experience with Sherwin Williams paint. I'm not a professional painter. I'm a communications consultant, so it's not like I use this stuff every day. Seems like everyone here agrees that it is good paint, but some think that it is overpriced. That's fine. You think it's overpriced. We know that now. No reason to be unpleasant or derogatory about it.

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Just to clarify on the mixing thing........I wasn't trying to say anyone was right or wrong......in my experience SWP cannot be mixed with a stir stick IF it wasn't properly shaken at the store. I know this has happened to me a few times over the years & after trying and trying with a stick to mix it myself, I finally asked the store what I was doing wrong & the manager said, "If it wasn't shaken correctly here at the store, you won't have any luck trying to mix it yourself unless you have a shaker." I assume it is because of the chemistry involved with today's paints that makes this so.

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