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Old 09-28-2009, 11:26 AM   #1
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Hello all! Just found your forum here and I am going to be all over it. I am a homeowner that does everything myself and would love to contribute to your community.

I need to paint my house and fence before winter. It is fall and getting crappy here in Central NY so I need to hurry up. It is raining all week. I need to buy 10-15 gallons of paint this week to paint everything next week.

House seems to be some kind of fake cedar lap board that is already painted of course and peeling in spots. Fence is rough cut board that the old homeowner only painted on one side so lots of boards are warping bad.

I will be using a big sprayer as much as possible.

I googled some stuff and found a website that said SW Duration is best and Valspar Ultra Premium was second. Don't know how good that website is of course.

I called SW and he told me if I bought 10-15 gallons he will sell it to me for $42 a gallon. Lowes has the Valspar of course and they said $22 a gallon and I have a 10% off coupon.

I also need to buy a new big ladder

Money is an issue, i am in the automotive industry and still on a 10% paycut. If the Valspar is second best and 1/2 the price I am OK with that.
Both come with "lifetime" warranty.

I plan on being in the house another 5-10 years.

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Old 09-28-2009, 12:55 PM   #2
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Greeting fellow CNY'r. The only thing Valspar would be a close second to would be coloring your house with a crayon. In my opinion Duration is overkill. SW A-100 is just fine for an exterior. If you want to go down to the $25 a gallon price, go to Purcells and get some Pittsburg Manor Hall paint. I use that on my side jobs and it does just fine.

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You sure it is paint and not solid color stain on there now?
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Not familiar with SW A-100. I will have to investigate the Ithaca or Cortland store.

Yes I am sure it is paint, it is peeling off in a few spots. I have a picture here. I also have to find a way to fix a hole in my siding from a renovation job I did. It is proving to be very hard and I have to do it before I paint. It is fake cedar lap siding. House built in 1972 (ranch house with fenced in back yard). Maybe I should do the house in Duration and the fence in A-100 if it is cheaper

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Ok. Seems weird they would have painted the fence though and if they did I bet they put the paint on without a primer! MAB will mix their solid color stain to match if that turns out to be what is on the fence.

In any event, I agree that you can go down to a contractor grade in the paint at SW or Benjamin Moore and still be doing better than Valspar if money is an issue. You may not end up with a 100 percent acrylic product but the rest of the chemistry will still be better.
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fence appears to be paint with no primer. What SW paints require no primer? The previous home owner painted one side of the fence, the other side is not painted at all for the last 2-3 years
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The only thing Valspar would be a close second to would be coloring your house with a crayon.
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Old 09-29-2009, 06:20 AM   #8
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I really would not put more paint on the fence without primer. I would not put paint on a fence at all for that matter. I would shift to a solid color acrylic stain that will not require a primer. I like MAB's (as Sherwin Williams company now) products for this and they will match color for you if you give them a day. Except for aesthetics, it doesn't really matter that the second side was not painted. That is not what is causing your boards to warp. The fence material was probably wet when it was put in place and/or it is just weathering.

http://www.mabpaints.com/products/products.asp?id=266

Not sure if the MAB products have transitioned into SW stores yet? I have both in my area.

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^ Stain? How can I stain a fence that is now painted? Only things I have stained is woodwork and trim in the house.
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Solid latex stains are a little different and certainly thicker than what you used inside. They will absorb where there isn't paint and allow the pigment and binder to seal the surface and can be used over paint on a fence application like yours. Otherwise, you can paint but you really should prime first if you want to get any life at all out of the job.

You might want to start a "Solid Stain Over Paint on Fence" thread and post the picture to get more feedback on this as the discussion is probably getting buried here. You can start it off with my recommendation if you want. Certainly will not hurt my feelings if others disagree with me.

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[quote=sdsester;334166]Solid latex stains are a little different and certainly thicker than what you used inside. They will absorb where there isn't paint and allow the pigment and binder to seal the surface and can be used over paint on a fence application like yours. Otherwise, you can paint but you really should prime first if you want to get any life at all out of the job.

You might want to start a "Solid Stain Over Paint on Fence" thread and post the picture to get more feedback on this as the discussion is probably getting buried here. You can start it off with my recommendation if you want. Certainly will not hurt my feelings if others disagree with me.[/quote]


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Well I went down to Sherwin Williams for the first time here in Ithaca. The BEST prices I could get was the following
Duration - 49.49
Resilience - 36.74
Superpaint - 35.99
A-100 - 28.79
Solidstain - 31.49

I called up Cortland (next nearest store) and best price I could get was 42 a gallon for duration.

Ithaca would NOT touch 42 a gallon for duration and let me walk out of the store.

I am guessing I need 10 gallons of my color and 1 can of white for the little trim I got. So I am looking at 500 bucks. To paint the house and fence. He said if I use duration, I do not need primer. They also told me Duration covers less sq. feet. Resilience covers like 100 sq ft more per can??

Man that is hard to justify. I could use something else for 22 dollars a gallon and save 250 bucks or more because it is cheaper and covers more.
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Man that is hard to justify. I could use something else for 22 dollars a gallon and save 250 bucks or more because it is cheaper and covers more.
As was suggested in these posts, use something other than Duration in the Sherwin Williams line if budget is the issue. You may not get the same life out of it but it will last you quite awhile. Just don't be tempted by the price into trying something like Valspar or you will be sorry. I most certainly would not put $42/gallon paint on a fence!
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You may want to ask SW when their next sale is. Seems they run 25% off sales often here and two weeks ago they had a 40% off anniversary sale. Maybe you can save a few bucks there. Personally I liked the SW Superpaint better than the Duration.
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Picked up 10 gallons of steel grey tonight and 1 gallon of white. I will need to get another gallon or two of white. I did not know my eves were all white.

I bought all duration. I have to start scraping some loose paint this week, I don't know how I am going to scrape a textured surface house. I don't want to use a powerwasher and get it all wet because I want to start painting this week.

How long do I have to paint the house before night time or rain? We seem to get 2 days of sun then 1 day of pure rain.

Hope you guys are right, this duration put a huge dent in my wallet.

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