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Old 09-08-2011, 02:48 PM   #16
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Chrisn - I wish my two coats would have made a nice finish! I do like the extra white look though, very clean.

I think I'm going to do a quick google search for painters in my area and see if I can get someone to come take a look and finish it quick. I don't think it should take too long for a professional since I've already painted in 3 times! And I'm not sure what a good rate is either...since I've done all the painting myself (multiple rooms and the entire exterior of my home last year).

SW recommended that I just sand down the ceiling and that I may not need to put another coat of paint on. I'm hesitant to sand because even flat ceiling paint HAS a texture to it....so I think whatever I sand will be much smoother than the rest of the ceiling.

I'm a new homeowner and like DIY jobs, so this has been a little disappointing to have spent so much time and $ on painting a ceiling...and STILL having to call in a professional. I'll avoid ceilings in the future, and if I must paint, I'll use something other than Brilliance. But for whomever I hire, I'd like to stick with Brilliance....

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Old 09-08-2011, 05:39 PM   #17
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Chrisn - I wish my two coats would have made a nice finish! I do like the extra white look though, very clean.

I think I'm going to do a quick google search for painters in my area and see if I can get someone to come take a look and finish it quick. I don't think it should take too long for a professional since I've already painted in 3 times! And I'm not sure what a good rate is either...since I've done all the painting myself (multiple rooms and the entire exterior of my home last year).

SW recommended that I just sand down the ceiling and that I may not need to put another coat of paint on. I'm hesitant to sand because even flat ceiling paint HAS a texture to it....so I think whatever I sand will be much smoother than the rest of the ceiling.

I'm a new homeowner and like DIY jobs, so this has been a little disappointing to have spent so much time and $ on painting a ceiling...and STILL having to call in a professional. I'll avoid ceilings in the future, and if I must paint, I'll use something other than Brilliance. But for whomever I hire, I'd like to stick with Brilliance....

That just makes no sense whatever, I cannot believe anyone with ANY knowledge of painting would say such a thing. Idiots

You anywhere near Maryland?
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I think his name is Bentley, and he's from VT, Vermont.
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That just makes no sense whatever, I cannot believe anyone with ANY knowledge of painting would say such a thing. Idiots

You anywhere near Maryland?
I thought they only gave out stupid advice at Home Depot - you know, where you love to buy your Behr Paint!
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I think his name is Bentley, and he's from VT, Vermont.
Haha...Dog's name is Bentley & I went to Virginia Tech. I live in Central VA, but its way too small of a job for any travel.
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Haha...Dog's name is Bentley & I went to Virginia Tech. I live in Central VA, but its way too small of a job for any travel.
Well, I am only 4 or 5 hours away
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Well, I am only 4 or 5 hours away
LOL...I dont want to pay the travel costs!!! But I do appreciate the offer.

So I just had the same guy come who put up the drywall in the new family room to see about painting the ceiling because he also paints. He quoted $150!

I hope I'm not stepping on any painter's toes on here, but that seems crazy expensive for 250 sq ft ceiling thats already been painted 3 times....AND I'd provide the paint.

Sooooooo...I might try to do it again myself...whats another $20 bucks wasted on paint haha. Should I keep using the 1/2 inch nap I have or go to something bigger. This contractor asked if I was putting any pressure on the roller, because it looked like I didnt. I did put pressure on it...not an excessive amount, but the roller was definitely flat against the ceiling. He also said that it probably wouldnt be a good idea to sand because it has an 'orange peel' texture.

Let me know if you think a bigger nap would do better! Thanks!
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Heres a cellphone shot of the blotchyness....

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Bently, Now I feel like I'm talking to the dog. 150 is not way out of line. How much is the amount of time you're going to spend doing it worth to you, and if it isn't done right, you may be calling him back. From your last post I can see that you didn't read my articles, else you wouldn't have a question about pressure on the roller. NO PRESSURE. You admitted that this was harder than you thought, then take the advice that you were given. Painting isn't rocket science, but it isn't as easy as people think or the DIY profiteers would have you believe. A UV degree doesn't mean you don't need to learn about paint and painting, I have a University of Rochester degree and I still have to do my homework, after decades in the business. The articles will help you, read them. Heel boy.
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Old 09-09-2011, 09:02 PM   #25
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Bently, it doesn't look like you put any paint on the roller! Load that 1/2 inch nap roller up with paint.........make sure it's a Purdy or a Wooster roller cover. Roll it in the tray 7 or 8 times to "prime" the nap..........roll it so full of paint that it ALMOST drips off the nap. Roll 2 or 3 sq. ft. then reload til it's soaking wet again, repeat. Put LOTS OF PAINT ON THAT THING! As Joe said, NO PRESSURE, let the roller do the work. The only other possible reason it could look that splotchy is if the space above the ceiling is attic space that is super hot and it's making the paint dry almost the instant you put it on.
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Good point on the heat Gymschu, and it could also be that he's rolling every which way, non uniformly, and back into stuff already set. Kind of like you see them doing on HGTV and tv commercials, in their dockers, with no drops, working out of full paint cans, wiping the brush on the rim of the can, while commenting about how "fun" this is. While painting is enjoyable, therapeutic even, I wouldn't consider it fun. But I digress, another thing Bently's owner has going against him is the size of the ceiling and the sight vantage it gives in combination with the strong lighting coming in from the windows. It's unforgiving. What people don't understand is that flat paint does all the same things that sheen paints do, it's just that flat doesn't reflect light so they're less visible that with sheens. There are some lighting conditions that will give you a hard time even with a flat. Take a ceiling that looks great from the floor and step up a ladder and look at it from a foot below and see the difference. You can't take using flat for granted.
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150 bucks to paint that ceiling ,hes going to drive to your house set up ,roll the ceiling that you messed up ,basically his days shot, . hey he probably don't have any kids to worry about feeding,or buying school clothes,i bet he doesn't have a house payment , workers comp,health ins van payment. hes just a painter ,oh what a minute but one thing he can do is roll that dang ceiling .
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150 bucks to paint that ceiling ,hes going to drive to your house set up ,roll the ceiling that you messed up ,basically his days shot, . hey he probably don't have any kids to worry about feeding,or buying school clothes,i bet he doesn't have a house payment , workers comp,health ins van payment. hes just a painter ,oh what a minute but one thing he can do is roll that dang ceiling .
Thanks ltd, that's why I said that 150 is not way out. At least his morning is shot. It's a special trip, one shot deal. 150 may be high for one coat if it was part of a much larger job at that house, but. I encounter this stuff a lot. People think you roll up to the job and just open cans, bang, bang, done. I think it's part of the DIY perception that people get from what they see on TV about what goes into painting, and how easy they make it seem. It's valuable that HO's mingle with pros here because it helps them to see what's real and what's TV. And that helps them when they need to evaluate painting proposals. I might not be able to tell someone what an exact price on a job should be, without calculating, but I sure can tell them what's too high or too low. And I think if people who come here listen to what's being said, think about it, that they'll be able to do the same.
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Already gone over, but the next time use a GOOD 3/4 nap cover.

PS Hire the damn painter. $150 is cheap
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Sorry guys, I apologize for looking at it at a per hour basis and thinking $150 is high. I kind of thought that it takes me about an hour per coat...and since I've already done 3 coats, he shouldn't be worried about coverage as much so it may go quicker for him. And this guy did do the drywall for the room - 10 hours of work, 2 workers = 20 hours of work + materials for $600 bucks. And I thought that was an awesome deal and he did a fantastic job. I actually had the painting the ceiling part of a combination of jobs I needed from him. 1) painting the ceiling, 2) putting a skim coat on the bathroom walls where wallpaper was removed, 3) repairing a small area of drywall under the porch roof where the tape is coming off. $400 for everything. I might try doing the ceiling once more based on all of the feedback here. Once again, sorry for stepping on toes! I'm a new homeowner and was just looking for advice.

Actually Joe, I did read your stuff. The picture is from before I started posting on this forum. Thanks for the articles though, they are helpful...I will use the advice for other painting projects as well. When I did paint the ceiling, the first 2 coats I did towards the windows and the 3rd coat my Dad did the opposite direction. You are correct, the afternoon sun shines right through those windows and brightens the room - it is very unforgiving!

Gymschu, thanks for the advice. I thought I was putting a lot of paint on the roller...I mean, I did use 3 gallons on 250 sq. feet. I am using a Purdy White Dove 1/2 inch nap. The space above the family room is the master bedroom, so it shouldn't be drying so quick like being below an attic. I will use the 3x3 advice, I was probably trying to cover a 2x6 area with some overlapping, maybe shorter strokes will help.

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