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Old 01-07-2013, 09:02 PM   #16
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Yeah I think I'll skip the KILZ... Which GARDZ is the one I want? Red or brown?

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Old 01-07-2013, 09:07 PM   #17
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Get the Gal- a little goes a long way- but is great stuff to have.
it is thin- so be careful getting the hang of it- it will spray like a ..whatever..

read the label. So many don't do that. it actually says good stuff to know.
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Ok. The red gallon says it's "Damaged Drywall Sealer". The brown gallon says it's "High Performance Sealer". The high performance one is actually cheaper and I have Amazon Prime so it will be here in 2 days...
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:15 PM   #19
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The kilz would work- you know what that means though- so it's your call.

You will have to prime any mud repairs because it will suck the sheen out of your paint. This could be done rolling on a spot of the paint on the patch, let that dry a bit- then go for your 2 coats. Would not have to be kilz again.

As far as your Gardz links- same stuff- diff generation labels. One is a gal, other a qt though..



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Oh you're right I did. Sorry about that. Sounds like a plan. Thank you so much for all of the guidance. I feel much less stressed about this now and can enjoy the process. It's pretty labor intensive, but it's honestly not nearly as bad as the contractors who came through said it would be so for that I'm grateful!
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sorry I missed all the glu stuff
and yes the spell check was broken yesterday
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I tried to order the GARDZ online but they told me it was a HAZMAT item and cancelled the order. :-( Home Depot said they can special order it for me for around $40 for 6 quarts. I read another post that talked about using odorless oil based primer for the same task, but they experienced some bubbling when they put down the coat of paint after allowing the primer to dry.

Is this bubbling issue something I can avoid by using the GARDZ or is it just as likely? It would be nice to be able able to use a white oil based and skip priming in addition to sealing.
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The Hazmat is weird- where were you getting it from?

I know Chris got it from HD_ but might be only in 5ers.

About the bubbling- You have to understand what is happening.
The sheetrock paper is a bunch of thin layers. The primer needs to soak through them and glue them down , and make them impervious to moisture ( a moisture barrier) . Both Gardz and Oil will do it- but needs to be saturated. Sometimes it is good to sand the flaky stuff off first. And even score with a razor knife a "stopping circle " around the damaged area.
If you tried it , that would make sense.

Sometimes people don't either saturate or prepare the damage and bubbling still occurs. Then the bubble needs to be cut out, and the process done again. Actually not very unusual for extensive damage.

In this case the words priming and sealing mean the same thing.
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I was trying to order it from a website called Midland Hardware. It accepted my order and then I got an email from someone saying it couldn't be shipped because it was a HAZMAT item.

Thank you for the explanation about the bubbling. I think in this case going with the odorless oil primer would be best for this particular situation.

I don't want to risk any paste residue still on the walls causing an issue when I actually do the painting, but it sounds like the oil/GARDZ are both equally effective at preventing that.
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Agree. I do think you could still get the gardz from someone else- but if you can put up with the oil it will work.

And my explanation was for torn sheetrock- the paste will reactivate and make a weird lump/ discoloration if a waterbase paint or mud is put directly on it. The 2 products make it so the moisture will not reactivate.
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http://www.homedepot.com/buy/zinsser...aler-2301.html
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HD told me the 5 gallon GARDZ is an "online exclusive" product. It gets shipped to the store for you to pick up. They order it directly from Zinsser. They would order 6 quarts of it (a case) if I wanted, so I could theoretically get it.

I guess what it boils down to is: is the GARDZ going to be more tolerable than an odorless oil-based primer? I know the companies claim it's "odorless", but I'm not sure what that means, exactly.

I am quite sensitive to chemicals so if the GARDZ is the safest bet, I'll just have them order the case of it.
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Gardz is far from odorless- it is not as bad or as "petro chemical"- but still has an thing.
I like it better because of the quick dry/ turn around. re coat in 1 hr usually.

I actually put an anti stink additive in mine- but is only worthwhile for frequent fliers...
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HD told me the 5 gallon GARDZ is an "online exclusive" product. It gets shipped to the store for you to pick up. They order it directly from Zinsser. They would order 6 quarts of it (a case) if I wanted, so I could theoretically get it.

I guess what it boils down to is: is the GARDZ going to be more tolerable than an odorless oil-based primer? I know the companies claim it's "odorless", but I'm not sure what that means, exactly.

I am quite sensitive to chemicals so if the GARDZ is the safest bet, I'll just have them order the case of it.

Strange, they told me just the opposite,and shipped it to my door. I actually wanted to pick it up at the store and they flat out said ,no.
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I had the same as chris HD would only ship to my door. I guess i got lucky I finally found it at at little local paint store.

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