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Old 08-31-2009, 06:06 PM   #16
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The Diff needs a respirator if you run it through a paint sprayer for sure, if used in a garden type sprayer I never did but probably could'nt hurt. Safe and Simple is the way to go if the Diff does not work.Applying it with a sponge does not work well either, it needs to soak, soak and soak, till it is running off the wall, a garden type sprayer works the best.

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Well, the Dif worked better than the other stuff, but at the rate I'm going it would take me 2 weeks, full-time, to remove this stuff from this powder room.
Soaking with the Dif and then running a drywall knife across it is just taking way too much drywall paper off along with the wallpaper backing. I'm at my wits end and am gonna call my bro the handyman and ask him which is the better way to go - skim coat the entire room or replace the drywall. I'm fed up.
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I'd try the Safe n Simple but it appears to be quite expensive and is mail order only.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:40 PM   #19
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I ordered two bottles of the Safe & Simple and only used a very small amount of one. It does go a long way.

Is the backing getting saturated well? Mine came off so easy once it was saturated well, but it was plaster not drywall. Also, I have a wallpaper removal tool that is easy to use as it slides against the wall reducing potential damage. Did you use the paper tiger lightly on the backing before wetting? It may help you. Good luck, I know how frustrating it is.
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If your brother is going to skim coat it, be sure to apply Gardz FIRST.
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Alright. I'm back to update what has happened since my last post.

Only thing to say is that I'm an idiot. : (

It turns out, after further inspection and a friend coming over and looking at the walls in my powder room and agreeing, that what I *thought* was wallpaper 'backing' is actually just the original coat of white paint on the drywall. So basically what I'm saying is the wallpaper came off very easily last week, but it also took lots of the white paint with it, and the white paint took lots of the drywall paper with it. So now the wall is totally uneven due to the wallpaper rips and, more numerous - the layer of original white paint (it's clear the drywall wasn't primed before this coat of white paint was put on) is flaking up in lots of places. But it's not a simple matter of just peeling it off, since about 65% of the paint is adhered properly to the drywall, while the other 35% is flaked up and or peeling off.

So...my plan now is this, and please tell me if I'm misguided here : ) :

1. Sand down all the walls. I have one of those black and decker palm sanders and plan on using that. I hand sanded some parts tonight to see if it would knock off the loose portions of white paint and smoothen out the edges that were peeling up, and it seemed to work pretty good. So I think going over it with a palm sander should take less than an hour to do the whole room and it'll be ready for step 2....

2. Put a coat of Gardz to lock down the remaining original paint and also to lock down the areas of torn drywall paper (there are lots, and some areas are like a foot long and a foot wide in size where the paper tore off).

3. Skim coat the walls to get them smooth. Should I use lightweight or regular drywall mud for this?

4. Prime with a good primer. What is the recommended primer? I have some Killz and also BIN 1-2-3 left over from my previous house's projects and those seemed to work great, but I never had walls like this before : )

5. Paint.

Is this plan a good one? Thanks again to everyone who tried to help me with advice, in spite of my stupidity.

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Old 09-04-2009, 02:53 AM   #22
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Alright. I'm back to update what has happened since my last post.

Only thing to say is that I'm an idiot. : (

It turns out, after further inspection and a friend coming over and looking at the walls in my powder room and agreeing, that what I *thought* was wallpaper 'backing' is actually just the original coat of white paint on the drywall. So basically what I'm saying is the wallpaper came off very easily last week, but it also took lots of the white paint with it, and the white paint took lots of the drywall paper with it. So now the wall is totally uneven due to the wallpaper rips and, more numerous - the layer of original white paint (it's clear the drywall wasn't primed before this coat of white paint was put on) is flaking up in lots of places. But it's not a simple matter of just peeling it off, since about 65% of the paint is adhered properly to the drywall, while the other 35% is flaked up and or peeling off.

So...my plan now is this, and please tell me if I'm misguided here : ) :

1. Sand down all the walls. I have one of those black and decker palm sanders and plan on using that. I hand sanded some parts tonight to see if it would knock off the loose portions of white paint and smoothen out the edges that were peeling up, and it seemed to work pretty good. So I think going over it with a palm sander should take less than an hour to do the whole room and it'll be ready for step 2....

2. Put a coat of Gardz to lock down the remaining original paint and also to lock down the areas of torn drywall paper (there are lots, and some areas are like a foot long and a foot wide in size where the paper tore off).

3. Skim coat the walls to get them smooth. Should I use lightweight or regular drywall mud for this?

4. Prime with a good primer. What is the recommended primer? I have some Killz and also BIN 1-2-3 left over from my previous house's projects and those seemed to work great, but I never had walls like this before : )

5. Paint.

Is this plan a good one? Thanks again to everyone who tried to help me with advice, in spite of my stupidity.

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I would apply Gardz FIRST, sand,skim, sand,clean, Gardz again, paint. No need to use another primer,Gardz already is one.DO NOT apply Kilz( unless it is the original,then you will need a fan, open window, gas mask,etc.)
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Thanks chrisn - I appreciate the advice.

Won't the Gardz inhibit the sanding process? I just assumed it would dry to a hard finish, so that any raised paint edges would be hardened up. Then again, perhaps that would make it easier?

Either way, I'll give it a go and report back. I'll snap pics along the way and post them. Thanks again!!!
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Then again, perhaps that would make it easier?

It will.
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Sorry I haven't had the decency to update my progress : ( I got tied up with other projects and, well, a lack of motivation for a couple of weeks. But, this weekend I've been working on the powder room again and I'm making great progress.

I applied a coat of Gardz. Once that dried, I then used my 'Mouse' palm sander to sand down the walls, in order to knock off all of the loose edges and 'bubbled up' paint. There was lots of it too.

The Gardz helped *tremendously* in hardening up the edges just enough to make them come off easier. It really sealed about 90+ % of the paint down. It took me about an hour or so with the palm sander to get 99.9% of the edges/bubbles out.

I then applied a skim coat to all of the spots where there was either removed paint or damaged drywall (and in this powder room, which is rectangular and medium-sized I guess, there were a lot of 'low' spots in the drywall due to the paper tears and paint removed).

So now that's drying and tomorrow I'm going to apply another coat of drywall, as I have two inside corners where the seams had come apart, so I taped and mudded those with the first coat tonight. I guess the house builder didn't bother taping, knowing they'd be putting wallpaper in.

There are a couple of spots I noticed, while skim-coating over the damaged areas, where the paint edges started coming up. I ripped them away with my fingernail. Only happened in like 2 or 3 very small spots. I'm hoping that a 2nd skim coat will settle that and, if not, the final coat of Gardz should do it I would think?

So I'm hoping that by Tuesday night I'll be ready to apply another coat of Gardz, and then paint on Wednesday or Thursday night.

Thanks Chrisn and everyone who has helped me with advice. I am finally 'over the hump' and can see the light at the end of this tunnel : )

I will post when I make more progress, and will definitely post 'before/after' pics when I'm done.
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Be sure to "touch up" the pieces that tore away with the Gardz before skim coating.Sounds like after a lot of sanding you will have it about licked.
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We had a bathroom with 5 layers of wallpaper and they even wallpapered before they put up the door frames ! ALso, they used different types of adhesives and I spent part of a day trying to use various techniques to get the wallpaper off.

The next day, a guy comes in and tells me to fix the torn part (I'd only managed to get a small section of all 5 layers torn off) and paint over the wallpaper. I was skeptical but it was the easiest solution. WARNING: this won't work in all bathrooms.

This article can help you decide if the bathroom wallpaper can be painted over. You need to consider many issues! http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...wallpaper.html

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