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igneous 09-28-2013 06:47 PM

Staining help
 
To my friends who helped me about staining French doors, I need help. I followed your advice, but I used plastic wood, stainable, to fill nail holes. Stain did not penetrate. The rest looks great. What do I do now. I am just guessing now, but I thought I'd reset the nails and use wood filler. Need answers soon cause I'm there now and only have a couple days to finish before my flight home. As always, thanks for input.

Jmayspaint 09-28-2013 07:28 PM

It's not likely that any kind of wood filler 'stainable' or not, is going to blend in well with the wood. Your on the right track though. Re set the nails and fill them with color putty that matches your wood the closest. Minwax makes a variety of color putties. They come in little jars for 4-5$.

The colors have names that match the stains, so that is a place to start when picking a color. But, there are so many variables in how different wood takes stain that it doesn't always correlate exactly. Just because you used Cherry stain (or whatever) doesn't necessarily mean Cherry putty will be the best match.

You can also mix the different colors to get a better match. Often, adding a little white putty to a color to lighten it improves the match.
I just mix with my hands. Roll it around like play dough, then make a ball to fill the holes with. Mixing a little corn starch in helps the consistency, and soaks up some of the oils in the putty.

After you fill the holes, wipe the wood thoroughly to remove any oily residue from the wood. You want to fill the holes after varnish has been applied. It's good to do it in between coats, but it can be done after the finish coat.

cdaniels 09-28-2013 11:20 PM

^^yep^^.......I always fill the holes after I stain and seal.Wood fillers always turn out different than the wood.The Color putty is the best way to match the stain and by sealing first the color doesn't smear and "stain" the wood around the nail making it noticeable.

ToolSeeker 09-29-2013 06:23 AM

Has anyone else filled the nail holes with spackle then used those little tubes with stain in them has a felt tip and you match your stain then just touch it to the spackle.

igneous 09-29-2013 07:44 AM

Thanks
 
The idea of staining and sealing first and then fill holes never occurred to me. I guess it's time to start thinking outside the can. I also approached the nail fill process by using my finger to push it in. The screw holes in the frame were a little larger, so I used a small putty knife. Too much filler! Now the resanding begins. Again I appreciate the swift replies to my posts. We should be ok from here. But don't be surprised to hear from me again.

cdaniels 09-29-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ToolSeeker (Post 1247554)
Has anyone else filled the nail holes with spackle then used those little tubes with stain in them has a felt tip and you match your stain then just touch it to the spackle.

Never thought about it but it as a pro time is money and it seems that it would be much slower that way.You would have to fill them then come back and stain them.With color putty once and done.

Jmayspaint 09-29-2013 05:54 PM

The speckle idea might work good for latex polly. I have to be very careful or putty can leave oil spots on water base clear coats.

poppameth 09-30-2013 05:24 AM

After installation of finished trim, I putty with water-based color matched putty, which gets it close. Then I hit it with a stain pen. It's not perfect but it is very close compared to other methods I've tried. I hate that non-drying color putty. I turns white over the years and looks terrible on anything I've tried it on.

Jmayspaint 09-30-2013 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by poppameth
After installation of finished trim, I putty with water-based color matched putty, which gets it close. Then I hit it with a stain pen. It's not perfect but it is very close compared to other methods I've tried. I hate that non-drying color putty. I turns white over the years and looks terrible on anything I've tried it on.

What brand makes water base color match putty? Maybe a link.? I've never seen WB putty of any kind. It would be extremely handy.

poppameth 09-30-2013 07:32 PM

I found tubes of Elmers brand putty in several colors at Lowes. All water based. I'm pretty sure Timbermate also makes it. The Timbermate is a much stiffer putty and higher grade with less shrinkage. It stinks though. Smells like the salve my dad use to slather his hands in.

Timbermate:
http://www.woodcraft.com/search2/sea...0wood%20filler

Elmers:
http://www.elmers.com/products/seala...multi-purpose/

Also, I'm pretty sure Famowood comes water-based now as well, though it's hard to find for me.

Jmayspaint 10-01-2013 10:55 AM

Thanks. I guess 'putty' is a pretty generic term for anything that you fill holes with. I was thinking of putty in a more strict sense of the word. Putty differs from wood filler in that it doesn't have to dry or be sanded.

Like this stuff http://www.minwax.com/mobile/wood-fi...wax-wood-putty

It says soap and water clean up, but its still oil based and can create problems with latex top coats.
It could just be that non hardening putties have to be oil base to retain there handling properties.

poppameth 10-02-2013 05:46 AM

I suppose it is a bit too general. I won't touch the color putties. They do indeed cause issues on water based finishes. They make hazy spots, which show badly on darker colors. I use to use this stuff and in my own house I started seeing it turn hazy after a few years. The spots would lighten. I went back and looked at other jobs and found the same issues. Now I use the latex fillers and a stain pen to color them. I just fill the hole and wipe over it with a damp rag. No need to sand at all. It comes out very smooth.


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