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Old 06-20-2013, 08:48 AM   #16
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There is the newer finishes out there, that give a non-skid surface, and will last longer than stain. The off side is that it makes it look like Trex, but something to maybe look at.

http://www.superdeck.com/mobile/products/product?id=34

This stuff is cool. Supposed to last a very long time, and has an anti-skid additive that can be used to give the floor a texture.

There are box store versions as well.

Here is a sample of the Rustolem version on new treated. It already has the texture in it.
Very thick, tough coating.
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I do NOT have Thompson's on
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"No I have not just the only crap I've used is Thompsons"

Ah well OK then; you know, you'll keep us longer on board if you're clearer with what you mean. Many would interpret that as meaning you've used Thompson's on this deck.....if not, where else? Anyway, that is good news for the new deck.

Again, the answers depend on if the wood is new or not. So, is this an existing deck or one that exists in your mind?

Sorry for all the questions but the answers we give depend on knowing exactly what it is you plan on doing; there's no "best" stain for all decks, just like there is no one "best" car...the ideal? a composite deck, providing budget is no issue - which it probably isn't.
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Amazing. From the original post, I thought you had a deck that had Thompson's on it too. Apparently you have been on some other deck that was wet, to which Thompson's had been previously applied.

You would be better off with: I intend to build a new deck of pressure treated southern yellow pine (List type of treatment). What is the best finish for this purpose?

Or: I have a (Years Old) deck that needs to be coated with something. See pictures. Based on these photos, what do you recommend? Condition means everything to someone recommending a finish.
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I recommend using Sherwin Williams Deckscapes as well, great product for decks.

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I am suspiscious whether box store Cabot is the same as paint store Cabot also. If there is a huge price spread, probably not.
I'm pretty sure the Cabot semi-transparent oil stain I'm buying at Home Depot is the same I'm buying at the Benjamin Moore store. Retail at BM is the same as the price at Home Depot.
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How many of you recommend semi transparent vs semi solid? And sorry, new wood deck and fence no previous finish
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How many of you recommend semi transparent vs semi solid? And sorry, new wood deck and fence no previous finish
Semi-trans is easier it terms of long term maintenance. Semi-solid will basically turn into solid after a few maintenance coats over the years. Either will likely have to be stripped sometime during the lifetime of the deck to stay looking good, the semi-solid just builds up faster.

On the other hand, semi-solid will give you slightly better initial protection and longevity. But not by much. Maybe one extra year on the initial coat if your lucky.

My approach to floors has become ease of maintenance rather than try to squeeze an extra year out of a coat of stain. I've stripped enough failed coatings to realize the cost of doing that can equal the cost of 2-3 easy maintenance
coats. That's why I like the toner even better that semi-trans. After 3-4 years the surface pigments in toner wear almost completely away, while the product still provides some UV protection and slows graying. Semi-trans can leave its pigments sitting on top as it wears, leading to more frequent stripping during the life of the deck.

But yea, semi-trans rather than semi-solid is my vote. The less pigment the better ( as far as maintenance) IMO.
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I agree with the above since to me anyways, semi-solid is more like a paint and therefore needs stripping like a paint. I may be wrong in that, as I haven't used semi-solids much but that's my gut feeling. I don't like paints of any kind on decks, there you have it...

But for new wood, I'd like to see you read the label of the stain of your choice and follow their instructions as to how long to let new wood dry, and what prep may be needed for new, dried wood before you can stain it; for example, there may be a clause that says: "wait a month for new wood to dry then apply our brightener, then stain with our product"

The reason for that is simple: not every stain is compatible with someone else's brightener/conditioner - whatever they call it - so you're pretty much married to one brand down the road. Don't switch brands.

So by all means, choose one brand and go with what they tell you, and hope that their products are still around in 4-5 years when you'll be back for more stain.
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I have posted this before so hope people are not too tired of it.



The more pigment you add, obviously the more you fill in the grain and block the natural color of the wood to the point that a quality solid stain like SW Woodscapes is perhaps more like a paint than a stain. It does preserve the wood texture more than primer and paint would though. And, I mention again I think using solid stains on deck surfaces is not such a wise idea.

I think the more pigment you add to a stain the more the argument for using a solvent based product goes away. I would use waterbased Woodscapes before a comparable solvent product, for example. Acrylics will not yellow like oil-based products can. Somewhat irrelevant for semi-transparent stains I guess.

I have also mentioned a fairly comprehensive forestry department study of exterior stain products. It found the average life of any such products is 3-5 years so that is the number you should have in mind for upkeep of your deck. Obviously if you prep and use superior products you may get more, if you use cheap, poor performing products, you will get less.

Finally, as stated in other posts, you can greatly extend the life of a deck surface by putting something over it. Just like you would for interior finished wood floors, they now make some really nice outdoor rugs in just about any color, texture, shape and size you can imagine.
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Just a quick comment on those deck resin restoration products. I have usually found Rustoleum does not make claims it cannot stand behind but the products are fairly new.

One person on this site admitted to less than proper prep for the Rustoleum product and accepted his role in its failure. He said it was a real challenge to get what was sticking to the deck off though. Something to think about.
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I did my girlfrinds deck 2 years ago with a semi-solid and it wore away just like it was supposed to. I did another coat a few weeks ago but it could have well went another year.
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