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suncowiam 09-24-2011 03:50 PM

Spray Painting Kitchen Cabinet Doors
 
Hi everyone,

We are starting a spray painting project. We've cleaned the surface but don't want to sand the surface. This is simply too much work for us.

I was told that we could simply apply primer and then the final paint.

If so, then do I need to thin the primer and paint? Paint is an internal paint bought from HD.

Thanks

Brushjockey 09-24-2011 08:48 PM

The too much work part, is what i call insurance. A scuff sand on a clear finish is almost a must no matter what the primer.
But you are getting your paints from HD- Hopefully you
are using a zinsseer primer, not behr.
And personally i wouldn't expect much from a behr top coat. I'd use Bm or Sw- both have superior products for wood. There are others too.

jsheridan 09-24-2011 09:23 PM

Sunco, I'll back up what brushjockey said. I would, at the very least, scuff sand with 150 grit paper the areas that are prone to heavy use. I can assure you that it won't be too extensive. Since your primary bond will be your primer, don't skimp and buy off brand. Buy Zinsser-- 123, cover stain, BIN, etc. Using a qaulity finish will also ensure a good bond of your topcoat to your primer. Cabinetry requires primers and finishes that can perform and have a good track record doing so.

spraygunn 09-24-2011 10:00 PM

Hey suncow,
If you want to paint your cabinets with your easy approach attitude (not sanding, thinning the primer) then I guess what we as professional painters have been doing all these years have been just plain foolishness. As professional painters we do these things not because they are easy but because they are the correct way to do the project. You can approach your project with your shortcuts and I’m sure we’ll hear from you again about steps needed to correct peeling paint on kitchen cabinets. Sounds to me like you’re looking for approval for poor judgment.

chrisn 09-25-2011 04:39 AM

As already posted, sanding is a must, not an option, thinning is rarely if ever necessary.I will not even comment on HD paints:whistling2:

jsheridan 09-25-2011 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spraygunn (Post 735323)
Im sure well hear from you again about steps needed to correct peeling paint on kitchen cabinets. Sounds to me like youre looking for approval for poor judgment.

How was it that we say that, oh yeah----"It's better to come here with questions before you screw up than to come here after and ask how to fix them."- JS

Brushjockey 09-25-2011 02:42 PM

JS- arm must be gettin tired from patting yourself on the back for that one ! lol

jsheridan 09-25-2011 02:43 PM

Suncow, painting kitchen cabinets is a highly detailed, difficult, and lengthy process. That is if you want them to not only look good but last as well. I've seen many bad cabinet jobs, some pro some ho, and the one thing they have in common is the amount of work that went into them--too little. Either the customer shopped on price or they did it themselves and didn't know what they were doing. If you do them right, they're not easy and they're not quick. One of my paint store guys says that kitchen cabinets are one of the only things he discourages HO's from doing DIY. The cabinets in a kitchen are probably the central element, and if they look crappy, so will the kitchen. If they look great, they'll pull the rest of it up. I'm not trying to scare you or discourage you, I'm simply trying to emphasize that you're tackling an ambitious project, and that you're going to get out of it what you put into it. If you're interested in doing them right, you're in the right place. We're here to help you, and they will look great if your handy and can follow our instructions. Can you please detail for us what your plan of action is? How are you planning to lay the job out and what steps are involved?
Thanks
Joe

jsheridan 09-25-2011 02:50 PM

It laid up so perfectly. Spraygunn's shot just missed the net, so I just had to tap it in. lol

chrisn 09-25-2011 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsheridan (Post 735672)
Suncow, painting kitchen cabinets is a highly detailed, difficult, and lengthy process. That is if you want them to not only look good but last as well. I've seen many bad cabinet jobs, some pro some ho, and the one thing they have in common is the amount of work that went into them--too little. Either the customer shopped on price or they did it themselves and didn't know what they were doing. If you do them right, they're not easy and they're not quick. One of my paint store guys says that kitchen cabinets are one of the only things he discourages HO's from doing DIY. The cabinets in a kitchen are probably the central element, and if they look crappy, so will the kitchen. If they look great, they'll pull the rest of it up. I'm not trying to scare you or discourage you, I'm simply trying to emphasize that you're tackling an ambitious project, and that you're going to get out of it what you put into it. If you're interested in doing them right, you're in the right place. We're here to help you, and they will look great if your handy and can follow our instructions. Can you please detail for us what your plan of action is? How are you planning to lay the job out and what steps are involved?
Thanks
Joe


aaahh a real poet now:laughing:

jsheridan 09-25-2011 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisn (Post 735765)
aaahh a real poet now:laughing:

In at least one trade, those would be one and the same:laughing:

suncowiam 09-26-2011 06:12 PM

Here are the steps that I was planning to take and have taken:

* remove hinges, handles, doors
* Clean surface with TSP (done)
* Use a liquid desander (mostly done)
* apply primer 1/4 done)
* apply paint
* read that I should apply new laquer or protective layer. not sure on what to do here yet.

* clean hinges
* i believe they are steel. read online to soak in vegetable oil. not really sure on this.
* if they are brass, not sure on the process.

* install new handles and knobs for different pattern.
* reinstall hinges and doors.

wife wants to modify some doors with glass insets. not sure if i have the tools or skills to do this correctly.

thanks

jsheridan 09-26-2011 08:51 PM

Sunco, thanks. At least you got the liquid sandpaper there. You didn't offer up your primer or finish, and I'm not sure I want to ask. My only conern is the TSP. Did you rinse thoroughly? Inadequate rinsing can cause bonding issues. I've never heard of soaking hinges in vegetable oil. I usually soak them for a couple of hours in a bucket of whatever grease cutting detergent is available then rinse. Sometimes I spray them if they're funky or painted up. I have lacquered the hardware before for added durability and appearance, but I've never clear coated and cabinets. If you use a good quality enamel, a clear coat wont' be necessary. Again, I won't ask. Anyway, sounds like you laid it out fairly well. Good Luck.

chrisn 09-27-2011 05:14 AM

Hinges are cheap, just get new ones:yes:

suncowiam 09-27-2011 02:18 PM

i usually only go to HD or Lowes for my home improvement. i did not see any hinges that would fit my original hinge fitting.


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