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joeyboy 11-15-2007 11:34 AM

sheens affecting durability / ability to clean?
 
I was recently told that matte paint cannot be cleaned like, say, satin sheen.

Is there any truth to this? I've never had an issue cleaning the matte paint I put up in my room, although to be fair there's gotta be like 5 coats of it (over a previously purple wall, was ignorant of primers when I painted lol)

sirwired 11-15-2007 01:51 PM

Yes, all other factors being equal, flat paint is more difficult/less durable than higher sheens.

That said, most major "real" paint brands like BM or SW, are now carrying "scrubbable flats" at the top end of their paint lines.

SirWired

joeyboy 11-15-2007 02:15 PM

Thanks as always!!

aside from scrubbability, is using matte sheen in a bathroom bad for other reasons? Higher moisture effects or anything?

joewho 11-15-2007 03:57 PM

Careful there Joey. There's a huge difference between cleanable and scrubbable paint. Just washing down or wiping isn't a big deal. But scrubbing is a key word in the paint world.

Paints advertise as cleanable, washable, highly cleanable etc. etc. But unless a paint can specifically says scrubbable, it's not the real stuff.

Also, there are scrubbable matte or flat paints, you'll know by the high price.
SW kids room paint is one of them.

sirwired 11-15-2007 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirwired (Post 74104)
Yes, all other factors being equal, flat paint is more difficult/less durable than higher sheens.

That said, most major "real" paint brands like BM or SW, are now carrying "scrubbable flats" at the top end of their paint lines.

SirWired

Oops, I meant "more difficult to clean/less durable". The advantage of flat paint (other than the lack of sheen, which is a matter of taste) is that flat does not show off defects in the wall surface or with application technique as much as higher sheen paints do.

SirWired

joeyboy 11-15-2007 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirwired (Post 74128)
Oops, I meant "more difficult to clean/less durable". The advantage of flat paint (other than the lack of sheen, which is a matter of taste) is that flat does not show off defects in the wall surface or with application technique as much as higher sheen paints do.

SirWired

no oops, I had to re-read several times to catch what the error was haha, I got it the first time! I literally read that 3 times before catching the error you saw :laughing:



and aside from obscuring defects, doesn't it make a room look bigger? Don't shinier sheens accent wall lines and make the room look smaller? I used the matte in the bathroom because it's insanely small (house was built ~1970, old school bathroom size). I also removed medicine cabinets from one wall, installed a HUGE mirror (after its frame it has like 1" clearance on all sides!), then put a mirrored medicine cabinet on the opposing wall (and yes, the infinity effect is present, but it's not too bad! Not as bad as it could've been anyways)

slickshift 11-15-2007 07:54 PM

Flat paint is generally not very scrub-able
Matte paint is generally a "washable" flat...flat sheen, but washable and generally more expensive than it's flat counterpart (ex: BM Regal Flat vs. BM Regal Matte)
BM Regal Matte is very scrub-able

slickshift 11-15-2007 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeyboy (Post 74107)
Thanks as always!!

aside from scrubbability, is using matte sheen in a bathroom bad for other reasons? Higher moisture effects or anything?

Generally, kitchen and bath paints are a "Satin", "Pearl", "Satin", or "Eggshell" sheens as generally the shinier sheens are more scrub-able and mold resistant...water resistant...washable...and don't show those "streaks" after a shower as much

The actual sheen level can vary from product to product, and company to company

Zinsser's Perma-White "eggshell" will look flat compared to BM's "eggshell", and BM's K&B "satin" doesn't look shinier than the Regal "pearl"

joeyboy 11-16-2007 09:58 AM

good stuff :thumbsup:


I've already done it in matte (bathroom), but it's a tiny bathroom and if there's issues I have a satin bucket I can use too, although it's exterior paint - screw it I'd just play it safe and get indoor paint if I have any issues with the matte up there.


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