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Old 07-26-2013, 02:58 PM   #16
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:49 PM   #17
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You can ignore brands and try to learn more about which actual paint is quality. Because there is no such thing as "Sherwin Williams paint". Sherwin Williams makes crappy paint and good paint, just like Benjamin Moore, etc.

There are dogmatic people here who will tell you that Sherwin Williams paint is great, and Behr paint isn't worth the cost of the can it comes in. This is nonsense of course. It depends on which paint you're using and for which purpose.

If you had a bad experience with Sherwin Williams paint, then either you used a poor Sherwin Williams paint, or it was a difficult or incompatible situation. At $50/gal, the paint itself was likely not the problem.

The fact is, in this case it's not the brands per se that are causing you problems. Having said that, I doubt Walmart has a lot of quality paint, but it really doesn't matter what paint you use - if the patch has been applied correctly and sealed correctly, not even the cheapest paints should flash.
I will take the crappiest of Sherwin Williams paint over the very best of Behr all day long.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:38 PM   #18
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I should add that the SW paint we used was yellow over an old color with a lot of red in it so it did have a challenge as far as hiding the old. But regardless, washability (even a small food stain from kids) was not good at all. This was Satin but was advertised as a very washable paint.
A quality satin should be easy to clean, so not sure what went wrong there. Colorwise, yellows and reds are usually the hardest to cover with. When you get into the deep bases, it's like a different paint altogether. For example, let's say you're using SuperPaint, but in deep color. I call them "clear" colors because they can't use the same white base that gave the paint its reputation - the color just can't take that much titanium dioxide, so it simply isn't opaque any more. It comes in a different can and is simply a different paint as far as I'm concerned.
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I will take the crappiest of Sherwin Williams paint over the very best of Behr all day long.
I'm sure you would, and that would be a very bad example for homeowners to follow. Behr Premium Plus Ultra blows ProMar 700 out of the water in every performance category imaginable. Well, maybe if you're counting on high splatter as part of some strange faux finish then ProMar might be better. Claims that a paint like ProMar 700 is somehow better than Premium Plus Ultra is simply based on pure dogma, not on facts.

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I'm sure you would, and that would be a very bad example for homeowners to follow. Behr Premium Plus Ultra blows ProMar 700 out of the water in every performance category imaginable. Well, maybe if you're counting on high splatter as part of some strange faux finish then ProMar might be better. Claims that a paint like ProMar 700 is somehow better than Premium Plus Ultra is simply based on pure dogma, not on facts.
You mean the Behr Premium Plus that actually stays on the wall or the portion that saggs off? SW will steer the general public away from Promar 700 and only reluctantly sell the Promar 200. Promar 200 at $20/Gallon will blow away anything Behr can put in a can. My claim are based on years of experience from both paints, not one weekend job from a plumber.
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A quality satin should be easy to clean, so not sure what went wrong there. Colorwise, yellows and reds are usually the hardest to cover with. When you get into the deep bases, it's like a different paint altogether. For example, let's say you're using SuperPaint, but in deep color. I call them "clear" colors because they can't use the same white base that gave the paint its reputation - the color just can't take that much titanium dioxide, so it simply isn't opaque any more. It comes in a different can and is simply a different paint as far as I'm concerned.

really?

is that like your other statement
quote"Because there is no such thing as "Sherwin Williams paint".
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What I think happened is the hot mud. Hot mud can absorb paint quite differently depending on who mixed it and how much water they used. That is one reason why pro's almost always cover hot mud with a topcoat of regular mud.
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What I think happened is the hot mud. Hot mud can absorb paint quite differently depending on who mixed it and how much water they used. That is one reason why pro's almost always cover hot mud with a topcoat of regular mud.
Regular mud always tends to be smoother and is easier to sand.
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I just did a bunch of reading on contractor talk and paint talk forums and other places and it looks like a lot of the pros use 5, 20, and 45 minute hot mud for filling nail holes and dents.

It's not a texture problem I'm having, it's that the mud is drinking up the topcoat and not allowing enough surface build to have a sheen/gloss.

My bet right now is on the primer sealer. It seems like anywhere we didn't mud looks great. It's just the dent fills that are still showing as flat/low sheen spots. I am going to try a PVA primer and see if that does the trick.

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I just did a bunch of reading on contractor talk and paint talk forums and other places and it looks like a lot of the pros use 5, 20, and 45 minute hot mud for filling nail holes and dents.

It's not a texture problem I'm having, it's that the mud is drinking up the topcoat and not allowing enough surface build to have a sheen/gloss.

My bet right now is on the primer sealer. It seems like anywhere we didn't mud looks great. It's just the dent fills that are still showing as flat/low sheen spots. I am going to try a PVA primer and see if that does the trick.
Yep, I always use 45 or 90 for my first coat. It's a much stronger product but like it said it doesn't smooth out as well or is as easy to sand as regular mud. PVA is not a very popular primer by the pros, myself included as it doesn't seem to do a whole heck of a lot but at this point you just need to build up the surface so anything will help.
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You need something that seals better than a PVA but with all the paint and primer you have on it it should be sealed by now.
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I purchased small quantities of Valspar PVA, Valspar Latex Primer for New Drywall, and Zinser 3,2,1 and have some fresh test spots to try them on to see how they do vs the high hiding primer we had tried first. Also as far as hiding properties, so far the PVA primer seems to cover a dark color (dark grey) just as well as the "high Hiding".
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Just did some experiments and these were just in two test areas (not whole rooms yet) but it seems like PVA primer sealed the patches better than Latex Primers (Valspar in both cases). The Zinser 1,2,3 also did a nice job. I'd say the PVA is probably what we'll be using for the rest of the project though due to price. It seems to get the patches sealed.
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Don't look to primers to 'cover". That's not what they do- but seal- yes.

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