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Old 08-15-2011, 04:45 PM   #16
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Anyone have a picture of a cedar deck (or any cedar structure) stained in Cetol SRD Mahogany? That's the one I'm leaning toward, but it seems to be quite dark. I know what the cedar colour looks like because I've used it for the original deck, my cottage, and my workshop, and although it's a little on the orange side when you first put it on, it matures to a beautiful golden brown with more than a touch of red. I've a feeling the mahogany might be too dark for me.

I asked for a sample at the local Sikkens dealer but I was told that I had to bring in a piece of wood and they would stain it for me. Unfortunately, all my cedar is screwed down to the deck (!) so if anyone has a pic I'd appreciate seeing what it looks like.

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Paint-thinner will get more dust out of the grain, even after you vacuum it well first!!! Think of using a Stri-dex pad on your face. Even if you wash your face well, a pad like that will ALWAYS pull more dirt out!
SAME idea...

I'm sanding my Redwood handrails this week. I'll get some pix here in the a.m. if I can! Got-'em on sawhorses, and sanding them with 50-grit.
Gonna use Sikkens DEK-Finish #045 Mahogany.
* It'll contrast nicely with the SRD #089 Redwood on the rest of the deck.
* Our swinging wood bench has DF Mahogany on it already, so the handrails will coordinate with the bench.
* I LOVE the sheened look of DF on furniture! Now the rails will have a nice sheen too.

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I'd love to see the pics when you can put them up. Particularly since I'm thinking about mahogany too. Either that or cedar.

What's the difference between Dek finish and SRD, Faron? I've visited two of our local Sikkens dealers so far, and neither stocks the DF, although both say they could order it for me if I wanted it.
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Ghengis, if your deck boards are screwed down, why don't you just unscrew a small board and take it to the paint store to sample away? That would be your best bet to get a good understanding of what the stain will look like on your particular wood. A stain will look different on different pieces of wood. I mean, you're going this far, just remove a board. I had to unscrew and take an interior shutter the other week for the same purpose.
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I was thinking about that JS. I've been working my way up the railings because the last sanding job I want to do before staining is the flat surface of the handrail. I've found from past experience that the top surface deteriorates very quickly if it isn't stained within a few days of sanding. Something to do with the heat I guess.

The screws have been in for ten years. I don't know whether they'll come out without a fuss or not. We'll see.
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Well I eventually decided on Sikkens DEK mahogany stain, and does it ever look good. I stained throughout today and although I had a few anxious moments when they forecast a "chance of thunderstorms" it was sunny all day. The deck looks as good as new.

The second coat, as far as I understand, should be applied fairly soon after the first, after a 24 hour drying. I'll do it, if all goes well, tomorrow.

Thanks for all the help. I'll post another pic when I'm done.
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Hey GM & co.!

Uffda....
Ran into some trouble with my deck steps! Specifically, the big 2x12 Redwood skirtboard, that runs just outside the stringer!!
After I took the steps off, I noticed the wood seemed kinda soft on that outer skirtboard...
Dammit...sure enough, the wood felt a little damp and soft.

Sooooo after wrestling with some screws that were stripped since installation 15yrs ago...I eventually got the whole skirtboard/spindle/handrail assy off!!

>>> I s'pose I'm gonna have to brush on some Petrifier I bought to stop the softening?! Then, use some 2-part epoxy-paste to spread on as a filler?!

Anyway....I've got a WHOLE bunch of pix I can post here soon!
My computer is acting-up lately, so I don't know if it'll stay online long enuff to upload pix, etc. Hopefully some pix this wknd...

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If it was Mahogany DEK-Finish you used...so did I (on the bench I mentioned, and now my handrails)!!
That stuff sure dries REEEEAAALLLL slow between coats!!

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OK. I put on the second coat yesterday. It dried overnight and this morning the deck has gone from this:



to this:




Mrs Genghis and I are really happy with the result, but it is still a work in progress. When I started the project almost two weeks ago I made the decision to leave the spindles on the railings as is. The surface of the railings is relatively rough, and the stain has always soaked in more than the deck, causing a much darker colour. I thought that this would "blend in" with the new colour and look all right, but it was the wrong decision. The vertical rails need to be sanded and stained too, so this will be the next step.

For the moment, however, I'm well satisfied. We have visitors coming over from Britain for the next couple of weeks, then I can get back to business. Thanks to everyone who has posted helpful advice on decks. I've read through almost all the deck threads and the advice posted here and elsewhere has been invaluable.

Faron, I'm looking forward to seeing how your bench looks. I'm thinking of making one for the cottage.

Cheers,
Genghis.

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Lookin' very good!

Yep...the "magic" happens with the 2nd coat of that stuff!

* Got done sanding the inner-side, top & bottom, and ends of my big Redwood skirtboard tonight.
* Dug out the flaking & soft Redwood, then sanded with 36-grit paper.
* Now it looks pretty good...."raw" but good!
* In '96 when it was built, it was "Construction-Heart" grade Redwood. NO Sapwood, and only a few knots.
* "Clear all Heart" Redwood was available, but more $$.

NOW....you couldn't touch the wood in my deck unless you sunk LOTS of $$ into it. Soooooo...I'm milking the deck for all it's worth!
PITA but I guess it's worth it!

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OK. I put on the second coat yesterday. It dried overnight and this morning the deck has gone from this:



to this:




Mrs Genghis and I are really happy with the result, but it is still a work in progress. When I started the project almost two weeks ago I made the decision to leave the spindles on the railings as is. The surface of the railings is relatively rough, and the stain has always soaked in more than the deck, causing a much darker colour. I thought that this would "blend in" with the new colour and look all right, but it was the wrong decision. The vertical rails need to be sanded and stained too, so this will be the next step.

For the moment, however, I'm well satisfied. We have visitors coming over from Britain for the next couple of weeks, then I can get back to business. Thanks to everyone who has posted helpful advice on decks. I've read through almost all the deck threads and the advice posted here and elsewhere has been invaluable.

Faron, I'm looking forward to seeing how your bench looks. I'm thinking of making one for the cottage.

Cheers,
Genghis.
Wow that looks great Genghis!
I just found this site and joined as I was looking for information about what to use on a cedar deck. We put a large cedar deck on the back of our house two yrs. ago and I used CIL Wood Care Cedar Oil Treatment on it. This past Spring I noticed there was a bit of peeling; so I sanded the deck down and still had some of the CIL; my husband replaced a board that wasn't looking good IMO but of course it stained way lighter then the original; so looked awful! I ended up putting a very tiny amount of Olympic Stain that I had here into the Oil Treatment for the second coat and then did a third and now it is a solid color but looks even and clean, so I am reasonably happy with it. The only thing is that I find that our German Shepherd walking over it with muddy feet, it does look dirty quickly as it is a red color. That is the only thing that I am not happy about. But as long as it doesn't peel again I can live with it.
So now we want to put a cedar deck on the front of our house; just have the boards sitting in the garage now. We have been cutting to size all day. I am leaning towards Sikkens from what I have read; Behr products sounded like they peel quite badly on here and other sites. I called Sikkens today and the technical department fellow told me that for a deck I should use SRD. I asked about Cetol 1 2 3 and he said that wasn't for decks? He also said to only do one coat of SRD as I don't want a build up; so I am wondering what one coat of it will look like; does anyone know? Will it look like it needs another coat; will it look dull, etc.?
Since your deck turned out so well Genghis, I was wondering what made you decide on the Sikkens Dek versus the SRD? Also it looks like it has a sheen on your last picture? And with doing two coats do you think it will hold up with traffic on it?
We live in the country in British Columbia and our front deck will be heavily used since it is where we come into the house and have a gravel driveway and as mentioned a large dog; so a very heavy traffic area; so I was thinking that maybe we should just do a natural stain as that won't show the wear and tear as much? At the same time I wouldn't mind using one with a stain as our house also has cedar siding which I did use a Behr Urethane years ago when they still had them in oil based. So maybe too much of a good thing??? If I put down a colored stain with the wear and tear I guess the color would come off easier and then the natural colored cedar would come through with scratches? Does this make sense what I am asking?
Sorry for all the questions and picking of your brain Genghis and anyone else that would like to offer some
I plan to sand all the boards before staining them in the garage, letting them dry and then we will put them down; just to be on the safe side I want to prep them properly.
Sorry for the long winded post I am trying to gain as much information as I can before we lay this deck down.
Any information will be most welcome
Thanks so much for any feedback, it is appreciated.

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